RAC broken?

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Martin P. Send message Joined: 9 Jun 05 Austria BOINC@Austria Credit: 7,073.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Verified: May 11, 2011 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 11 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 6886 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 13:21:58 UTC Last modified: 16 Dec 2007 \| 13:22:22 UTC
Calculation of RAC seems to be broken. After several days of double-digit credit I still see 0.41 Credits RAC. On the other side many users who did not do any work for several weeks still have considerable RAC. When I started work on M/T my position in RAC became worse instead of better: ____________
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Kalessin Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 International SETI.Germany Credit: 44,825.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Verified: Jan 11, 2009 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 7 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 6888 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 15:22:06 UTC - in response to Message 6886.
Martin P. wrote: Calculation of RAC seems to be broken. After several days of double-digit credit I still see 0.41 Credits RAC. On the other side many users who did not do any work for several weeks still have considerable RAC. When I started work on M/T my position in RAC became worse instead of better: This happens to all pirates who use the M/T. I assume this is because the M/T doesn't count to the Rac but nonetheless makes it being recalculated. So your rac doesn't lose more than those of others, it is only more up to date. If you look at the rac stats of clooney and byterain they seem to be top pirate crunchers. But they have only ceased reporting any results after their last bunch. Since then their rac has never been recalculated. This will settle again, when everyone gets results again or when eric forces recalculation of the scores. I hope i've guessed this right. ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships
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code { dwarf } Send message Joined: 20 Jan 07 Poland Credit: 709.5 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jan 20, 2007 Verified: NEVER Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 2	Message 6891 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 16:44:18 UTC - in response to Message 6888.
Kalessin wrote: ...But they have only ceased reporting any results after their last bunch. Since then their rac has never been recalculated. This will settle again, when everyone gets results again or when eric forces recalculation of the scores. I hope i've guessed this right. Yes, indeed. When we are not giving out work RAC is not updated, unless I run a separate task to do so (which I will start now). When we give out work, RAC is recomputed at the same time credit is awarded.
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Martin P. Send message Joined: 9 Jun 05 Austria BOINC@Austria Credit: 7,073.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Verified: May 11, 2011 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 11 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 6892 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 16:56:48 UTC - in response to Message 6891. Last modified: 16 Dec 2007 \| 17:02:56 UTC
Thanks to both of you, this explains it! However, one question remains: Why is my RAC only at 0.40 with more than 100 credits gained throughout last week? ____________
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Wormholio Captain Send message Joined: 6 Jun 04 United States Away Credit: 4,065.6 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Verified: Mar 13, 2008 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 10 Punishment: Aztec curse	Message 6894 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 17:11:32 UTC - in response to Message 6892.
Martin P. wrote: However, one question remains: Why is my RAC only at 0.40 with more than 100 credits gained throughout last week? RAC is not updated for credit granted by the Mechanical Turk. Indeed, I intend to separate the Turk entirely from BOINC credit. I just have not had time to do so. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats
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Martin P. Send message Joined: 9 Jun 05 Austria BOINC@Austria Credit: 7,073.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Verified: May 11, 2011 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 11 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 6898 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007 \| 23:03:26 UTC - in response to Message 6894.
Please don't! ____________
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Martin P. Send message Joined: 9 Jun 05 Austria BOINC@Austria Credit: 7,073.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 9, 2005 Verified: May 11, 2011 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 11 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 6899 - Posted: 17 Dec 2007 \| 9:38:43 UTC - in response to Message 6894.
Wormholio, will the credit already granted be set to 0? Please confirm your intent to separate, because in this case I will immediately stop analysis. Since availability of Pirates work-units for Mac is much less than for Windows, analyzing Turk is the only way to keep up with the Windows users. ____________
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Wormholio Captain Send message Joined: 6 Jun 04 United States Away Credit: 4,065.6 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Verified: Mar 13, 2008 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 10 Punishment: Aztec curse	Message 6907 - Posted: 18 Dec 2007 \| 14:34:28 UTC - in response to Message 6899.
Martin P. wrote: will the credit already granted be set to 0? No, BOINC credit already granted will be retained. But after the switchover credit for work done on the Mechanical Turk will be awarded in silver Reales ("pieces of eight"), one per task. It's true we don't have as much work for Mac, but that makes your contribution more valuable. I hope you'll stay attached to the project for when we do have Mac work. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have a separate top users listing per platform? That might not be a difficult modification to make. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats
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Calculation of RAC seems to be broken. After several days of double-digit credit I still see 0.41 Credits RAC. On the other side many users who did not do any work for several weeks still have considerable RAC. When I started work on M/T my position in RAC became worse instead of better:

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Martin P. wrote:

Calculation of RAC seems to be broken. After several days of double-digit credit I still see 0.41 Credits RAC. On the other side many users who did not do any work for several weeks still have considerable RAC. When I started work on M/T my position in RAC became worse instead of better:

This happens to all pirates who use the M/T. I assume this is because the M/T doesn't count to the Rac but nonetheless makes it being recalculated. So your rac doesn't lose more than those of others, it is only more up to date.
If you look at the rac stats of clooney and byterain they seem to be top pirate crunchers. But they have only ceased reporting any results after their last bunch. Since then their rac has never been recalculated.
This will settle again, when everyone gets results again or when eric forces recalculation of the scores.

I hope i've guessed this right.

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Kalessin wrote:

...But they have only ceased reporting any results after their last bunch. Since then their rac has never been recalculated.
This will settle again, when everyone gets results again or when eric forces recalculation of the scores.

I hope i've guessed this right.

Yes, indeed. When we are not giving out work RAC is not updated, unless I run a separate task to do so (which I will start now). When we give out work, RAC is recomputed at the same time credit is awarded.

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Thanks to both of you, this explains it!

However, one question remains: Why is my RAC only at 0.40 with more than 100 credits gained throughout last week?

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Martin P. wrote:

However, one question remains: Why is my RAC only at 0.40 with more than 100 credits gained throughout last week?

RAC is not updated for credit granted by the Mechanical Turk.

Indeed, I intend to separate the Turk entirely from BOINC credit. I just have not had time to do so.

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Please don't!

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Wormholio,

will the credit already granted be set to 0? Please confirm your intent to separate, because in this case I will immediately stop analysis. Since availability of Pirates work-units for Mac is much less than for Windows, analyzing Turk is the only way to keep up with the Windows users.

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Martin P. wrote:

will the credit already granted be set to 0?

No, BOINC credit already granted will be retained. But after the switchover credit for work done on the Mechanical Turk will be awarded in silver Reales ("pieces of eight"), one per task.

It's true we don't have as much work for Mac, but that makes your contribution more valuable. I hope you'll stay attached to the project for when we do have Mac work.

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have a separate top users listing per platform? That might not be a difficult modification to make.

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