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Message 5288 - Posted: 6 Apr 2007 | 8:25:17 UTC

Remember this?

With bjango's permission I am taking over maintenance of this little side project, because I thought it was just too cool to let pass into obscurity. To start with, I'll be using the user markers from bjango's original file to seed the new one, but, anyone wishing to be included, please just step right up and say so!

As with the original, merely a city, or rough location, is sufficient. I'll put your marker in a neutral location, such as a park, body of water, or landmark of your choice (don't want any cyberstalkers being able to see right where you live...)

Also, for anyone wishing to be included but who have set "International" as your country on BOINC, I offer the following largely neutral choices:

90 degrees North latitude
90 degrees South latitude
Mount Everest
The International Date Line (somewhere in the ocean)
The United Nations building in New York City

I hope to have a first run of the new file within a week. Comments and feedback are appreciated. Cheers!



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Message 5289 - Posted: 6 Apr 2007 | 9:07:56 UTC - in response to Message 5288.

Hi Raven, you can please put my marker in the "Stadtpark" in Hamburg. Thanx
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Message 5296 - Posted: 6 Apr 2007 | 23:45:11 UTC
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I hadn’t heard o’ that project afore now—shiver me timbers, a great idea! Please place a marker fer me: I reckon th’ RASC’s observin’ deck at the Telus World of Science (formerly the Odysseum, formerly the Edmonton Space & Science Centre) in Coronation Park, 53°33'36"N, 113°33'46"W, viewed from a range (altitude) of about 1000–1500 m, would be a good spot. Th’ high school I went t’ be jus’ a musket-shot away.

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Message 5302 - Posted: 7 Apr 2007 | 19:39:41 UTC - in response to Message 5296.

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Please place a marker fer me: I reckon th’ RASC’s observin’ deck at the Telus World of Science (formerly the Odysseum, formerly the Edmonton Space & Science Centre) in Coronation Park, 53°33'36"N, 113°33'46"W, viewed from a range (altitude) of about 1000–1500 m, would be a good spot.


Eesh, you have a "Telus World of Science" in Edmonton too? There's also one branded as such here in Vancouver (formerly Science World, which is what the exhibit is still called, and before that Expo Centre, from Expo 86.) Anyway, noted for inclusion!

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Message 5305 - Posted: 7 Apr 2007 | 21:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 5289.

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Hi Raven, you can please put my marker in the "Stadtpark" in Hamburg.


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Message 5350 - Posted: 10 Apr 2007 | 5:35:13 UTC

My smilin' face on the CN Tower in Toronto Canada, would be a sight for these here sea weary eyes! Thank Ye Matey!
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Message 5357 - Posted: 10 Apr 2007 | 17:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 5350.

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My smilin' face on the CN Tower in Toronto Canada


Done. (Been there... one third of a kilometre never looked so far away as when seen from straight up...)

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Message 5364 - Posted: 11 Apr 2007 | 9:50:27 UTC

GGGGAAAArrrrr!! Me bandana musta slipped down over me other socket. Cuz I canna see a ting dere. I've gone blind!

*cough*

Sorry I can see 4 other BOINC markers but not my own. I tried in maps and earth.
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Message 5370 - Posted: 11 Apr 2007 | 21:03:39 UTC - in response to Message 5364.

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Sorry I can see 4 other BOINC markers but not my own. I tried in maps and earth.


The file currently seen in GE, and on the GE board, is the old one by bjango. I haven't posted the update yet. (Will let you know once I do!) Also, when it is posted, you'll have to download it to view it, as the ones on GE Community Board only get updated and downloaded automatically every so often. I have made a note of you, though, and when posted, you'll be there.

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Message 5377 - Posted: 12 Apr 2007 | 8:11:41 UTC - in response to Message 5370.

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Pawly wrote:
Sorry I can see 4 other BOINC markers but not my own. I tried in maps and earth.


I have made a note of you, though, and when posted, you'll be there.

YYYAAARRRGGGHHH!!! Thank ye, matey! I'll be there but will you be here? Oh Canada! Forum Stop by when you have a chance and say hi! All Crunchers Welcome!
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Message 5394 - Posted: 13 Apr 2007 | 8:13:40 UTC
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The new Google Earth BOINC User file is ready, and has been posted to the Google Earth Community Forum. It can be found here.

There are a few changes from bjango's original file. First, users are listed in the file alphabetically, rather than by country. Google Earth has graphical search features that are more than adequate to show you who is situated in a particular city, state, province or country. Listing them alphabetically made it easier to search for a particular user by name. Second, there are the nifty new icons, in BOINC's unique font, which indicate special things about users listed. A blue "B" indicates a regular user. A gold "B" indicates someone involved with the operation of a project (i.e. an administrator, developer, or scientist, but not a tester or forum moderator). A red "B" indicates the founder of an established team of five or more members. This replaces bjango's original set of team "locations", which I felt were superfluous as even a geographically-based team can have members spread all over the map.

The BOINC project locations file included with bjango's original is not updated or present in this file. It is being maintained by another user and can be found at http://www.pcschmiede.de.tf/boinc/

Additions and corrections are sought and encouraged. I am especially interested to know of any user who may warrant a different colour icon (I have only two team founders, myself included, and only one project staffer) or users who have either moved or have stopped crunching BOINC, and can thus reasonably be taken out of the file. Comments and suggestions are also welcome. Enjoy!
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Message 5395 - Posted: 13 Apr 2007 | 9:09:08 UTC

Sounds really great.
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Message 5399 - Posted: 13 Apr 2007 | 10:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 5394.
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The new Google Earth BOINC User file is ready, and has been posted to the Google Earth Community Forum. It can be found here.
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Additions and corrections are sought and encouraged.

Mighty nice, ’n only 10% th’ size o’ th’ previous file! Me marker’s about 85 metres from the observin’ deck, but I guess ’tis close enough. ;) (I be a crew founder at S@h, but we ’ave fewer than five active hands.)

I tried viewin’ th’ file on-line in Google Maps (fer which it may nah ’ave been intended) as well; many o’ th’ entries seem t’ be missin’ (mine included), ’n most o’ th’ markers that do show are upside-down-teardrop thingies instead o’ Bs thar. But it’s much better when I view it in Google Earth on me own system.

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Message 5403 - Posted: 14 Apr 2007 | 0:12:11 UTC

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Message 5408 - Posted: 14 Apr 2007 | 9:10:20 UTC

Odysseus: I'll try and get your marker closer to the mark, though, I have no idea which part of the complex I'm looking at for it. This file's size is probably due to the fact that the locations file included in the original had a few image overlays included, which would have made it much larger.
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Message 5412 - Posted: 14 Apr 2007 | 20:25:00 UTC

Anyone familiar with Google Earth and wishing to customize their locations and labels can email me a .kmz file as an attachment for inclusion. Send it to bcboinc (-at-) fandom.ca
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Message 5414 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 12:53:29 UTC

I like this. I've been thinking about how we could automate the process to make it easier on Raven -- though this in no way means to discount his efforts. Thanks for bringing this back. Maybe we can find a way to scale it up?

One simple way to do this would be to make a page for uploading the .kmz files, and then make the set available to Raven for final assembly.

But that still involves some 'by hand' work. Maybe we could automate the whole process? We already have the "treasure location" item in the Pirates' preferences, which could be turned into "home port" lattitude and longitude. I would bet that I could write a script to extract this and the avatars into a kmz file (which is a zip archive containing an xml file and any images) and make this available for download along with the stats files.

I don't know how much effort that would take, but it could provide something to do while stuck below decks riding out a Nor'easter. Comments?

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Message 5416 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 13:45:55 UTC - in response to Message 5414.

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I like this. I've been thinking about how we could automate the process to make it easier on Raven...
... Comments?

My treasure location is already set to home port. Bet I'm not the only one, so you should have an opt in option.
Maybe you can set it up to show a page (after update click?) with your extracted info so that we can edit or submit our own kmz file.

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Message 5417 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 14:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 5416.
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My treasure location is already set to home port. Bet I'm not the only one,

There were at least two of us :-)

...so you should have an opt in option.

I thought about adding a checkbox, but if this is a completely separate item then you opt in by filling it in, and opt out by making it empty.

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Message 5418 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 14:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 5416.

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Maybe you can set it up to show a page (after update click?) with your extracted info so that we can edit or submit our own kmz file.

Google maps lets you build a link to a particular map position, so we could add a verification link for this, if I can figure out all the requirements to build the URL.

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Message 5419 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 15:13:24 UTC - in response to Message 5417.

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I thought about adding a checkbox, but if this is a completely separate item then you opt in by filling it in, and opt out by making it empty.

When I actually checked, the treasure location info was not there.
Yep, seperate item is better than a checkbox.


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Message 5424 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 21:49:23 UTC - in response to Message 5408.
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Odysseus: I'll try and get your marker closer to the mark, though, I have no idea which part of the complex I'm looking at for it.

Th’ coordinates I provided upthread best be quite a bit closer; they be jus’ rounded t’ th’ nearest arc-second. But if ye’re placin’ th’ marker visually, th’ RASC observation deck be th’ small buildin’ shaped like a shallow chevron pointin’ south, about 100 m SE o’ th’ centre o’ th’ main buildin’s circular roof.

If ye prefer, I can prolly figure out how t’ make me owns placemark file t’ send ye.

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Message 5425 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 21:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 5414.

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We already have the "treasure location" item in the Pirates' preferences, which could be turned into "home port" lattitude and longitude.

Th’ Ts in “latitude” come only one at a time. I wouldna normally comment on such a typo in a postin’, but th’ misspellin’ appears on th’ preference page as well.

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Message 5426 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007 | 22:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 5425.

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Th’ Ts in “latitude” come only one at a time. I wouldna normally comment on such a typo in a postin’, but th’ misspellin’ appears on th’ preference page as well.

It always helps to have an extra set of eyes. Thank you.

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Message 5431 - Posted: 16 Apr 2007 | 8:31:46 UTC

Odysseus: My apologies. I found the building from your description, and your marker will be there next update.

Wormholio: Both the upload page and script idea sound fantastic, and would definitely be a help, insofar as getting .kmzs to a central place. Being able to set a placemark without the need for downloading and learning the program first would likely be a huge help to newcomers, too! Thank you for your help in this!
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Message 5432 - Posted: 16 Apr 2007 | 12:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 5431.

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Wormholio: Both the upload page and script idea sound fantastic, and would definitely be a help, insofar as getting .kmzs to a central place.

Being confined below decks yesterday with nothing much to do but check the bilge pumps I set up a file upload page for placemarks. Any member of the crew who wants to create their own placemark can upload it at http://pirates.spy-hill.net/placemark_upload.php The uploaded files, which must have the right MIME type, are then put in http://pirates.spy-hill.net/download/placemarks/ . Then Raven can retrieve them for assembly into the larger single placemark file. I could protect this directory so that only Raven can read it, but since the information is to be public anyway I have not done so yet.

Being able to set a placemark without the need for downloading and learning the program first would likely be a huge help to newcomers, too!

Agreed, and so I also modified the Pirates' Preferences page to allow you to enter your home port coordinates. (The treasure location is gone, but may still be remembered for later.) Automatically generating a single large placemarks file from this information may have to wait until the next storm, but at least we can start collecting the data.

Meanwhile, it's not that hard to create your own placemark file, except that it's not that clear the first time. Perhaps we can get a work gang together here to create a wiki page to document the process?

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Message 5437 - Posted: 16 Apr 2007 | 19:08:03 UTC

Kalessin: Got your uploaded file and moved your marker. Sorry if I got the wrong park.
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Message 5445 - Posted: 16 Apr 2007 | 21:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 5437.

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Kalessin: Got your uploaded file and moved your marker. Sorry if I got the wrong park.


But you didn't get the wrong park. I just decided to change the degree of exactness a little bit. Now its were I actually go playing with my little wyrmling.
And I thought you might not find out the coordinates of the "Eppendorfer Park" which is what i wouldn't have (with google earth), had i not known the way to it in reality.

So still: GREAT PRAISE!

And a friendly sneeze for a thanx and thumbs up!


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Message 5451 - Posted: 17 Apr 2007 | 5:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 5432.

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Meanwhile, it's not that hard to create your own placemark file, except that it's not that clear the first time. Perhaps we can get a work gang together here to create a wiki page to document the process?

1st draft. [[Google_Earth_placemark]]


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1st draft. [[Google_Earth_placemark]]

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Message 5461 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007 | 3:01:55 UTC
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Misfit: The original still had you slightly out to sea off the Star of India. That's where I currently have you. Just confirming that you wanted to be changed to the ship itself.

EDIT: Also, do you still want your label information there, which included your BOINC Synergy stats signature for Pirates@Home?
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Message 5466 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007 | 1:07:37 UTC

For all users of german google earth (don't know if its the same with other versions) or google maps:
Ask for a route from Hamburg to New York or other way around! With the maps its point 44, in earth just scroll down about 2/3. I think 29 days and 13 hours is really fast for this route!
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Message 5468 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007 | 12:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 5466.

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For all users of german google earth (don't know if its the same with other versions) or google maps:
Ask for a route from Hamburg to New York or other way around! With the maps its point 44, in earth just scroll down about 2/3. I think 29 days and 13 hours is really fast for this route!


I asked google maps for directions from New York, NY to Hamburg, and indeed it's listed as about 29.5 days. Steps 22-23 are the most interesting (this is 44 on the reverse route?) They have you go down to Long Wharf in Boston (near the Aquarium), jump off the pier, and swim across the Atlantic ocean (3462 miles).

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Message 5469 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007 | 17:27:03 UTC - in response to Message 5468.

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I asked google maps for directions from New York, NY to Hamburg, and indeed it's listed as about 29.5 days. Steps 22-23 are the most interesting (this is 44 on the reverse route?) They have you go down to Long Wharf in Boston (near the Aquarium), jump off the pier, and swim across the Atlantic ocean (3462 miles).

Yeah, that what I meant. But really interesting is it to divide time and distance. This should be 55720 times 100m freestyle worldrecord. Really fast in spite of the waves.

Maybe I start to new york tomorrow?
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Roughly speaking, 29 days is about 700 hours. And roughly speaking, the distance works out to 3000 nautical miles. (As all pirates should know, a nautical mile is 6080 feet, whereas a statute mile is only 5280 feet.) So that means your month-long swim is assumed to be at a steady 4.3 knots (nautical miles/hour). Not a bad pace at all, if you could keep it up for a month.

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Message 5478 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007 | 4:33:41 UTC - in response to Message 5461.
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Misfit: The original still had you slightly out to sea off the Star of India. That's where I currently have you. Just confirming that you wanted to be changed to the ship itself.

Yep. Right smack dab on the ship.

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EDIT: Also, do you still want your label information there, which included your BOINC Synergy stats signature for Pirates@Home?

Yeah, why not.

Edit: I just uploaded a new one to use. Replaced the thumbtack with the avatar and reoriented the frame.
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Message 5481 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007 | 7:58:55 UTC

Misfit: Done.

Many people have uploaded placemarks using their forum avatars as the icon. I change these to the "B" used in the BOINC logo, for consistency and to indicate certain things about certain users, but I can include avatars in the placemark's label. If you want this, or anything else in your label, either e-mail me as above and tell me which avatar (if you have several) you want, and I will copy it from that project to Photobucket (to reduce load on project servers, however small).
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Message 5483 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007 | 9:13:31 UTC

The file has been updated. Once again go here to download.

Changes as of 20 April 2007:
Added users Boinc_Master_3, Laurel, Rusty and zc_science.
Repositioned markers for Kalessin, Misfit, Odysseus and Wormholio.
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Changes as of 13 April 2007:
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Message 5486 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007 | 12:30:29 UTC - in response to Message 5481.

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Many people have uploaded placemarks using their forum avatars as the icon. I change these to the "B" used in the BOINC logo, for consistency and to indicate certain things about certain users, but I can include avatars in the placemark's label. If you want this, or anything else in your label, either e-mail me as above and tell me which avatar (if you have several) you want, and I will copy it from that project to Photobucket (to reduce load on project servers, however small).


Arrgh! It seems I've lost my gold "B", and now only have a lone "X" out in the woods. As if that's where my body is buried or something. As the Monty Python line goes, "I'm not dead yet" :-)

I can see an argument for two different formats. If the placemark file is to be a "layer", overlayed with other layers, then a "B" is the best way to indicate a BOINC user. On the other hand, to do a "tour" of the users for a project, the avatar would be more personalized. I don't know which is better, or if we should perhaps have two?

I also don't think that the images put a load on the server (but thanks for thinking of it). When I save a placemark to a file it puts the image in the placemark bundle (the .kmz file, which is just a .zip file containing the images and an XML description of the placemark, so you can easily look inside it). So adding avatars will make the .kmz file bigger, but not add server load. However, it may be that images inside the descriptive text do add server load, but I've not got that far yet.

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Message 5489 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007 | 21:33:26 UTC

Wormholio: The placemark icons are included in the .kmz file, but the label images have to be specified as an external link, hence why I would put them on photobucket (unless one had their own PB account). And I will restor your gold B immediately. My bad.
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Message 5495 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007 | 2:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 5481.

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Misfit: Done.

Many people have uploaded placemarks using their forum avatars as the icon. I change these to the "B" used in the BOINC logo, for consistency and to indicate certain things about certain users, but I can include avatars in the placemark's label. If you want this, or anything else in your label, either e-mail me as above and tell me which avatar (if you have several) you want, and I will copy it from that project to Photobucket (to reduce load on project servers, however small).

I'll have to go thru my other avatars and see which one looks good in that location. The Joey Mars might look cool since it has a white background it'll blend into the structure.
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Message 5496 - Posted: 21 Apr 2007 | 5:30:16 UTC

OK I overwrote and uploaded my final one.

I have my own PB so you can use this link:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/setiweb/avatars/milla1.png (for the message body)
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Message 5510 - Posted: 22 Apr 2007 | 7:27:44 UTC

Misfit: Done. Reload next update.
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Wormholio:... I will restor your gold B immediately. My bad.


Not a problem. Thank you for restoring my gold B. I think you too should get some gold, for all your efforts. So I've awarded you a Dubloon. (I've also given one to bjango, for his initial efforts on starting the placemarks file.) You have the thanks of the captain and the crew.

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Message 5537 - Posted: 24 Apr 2007 | 3:46:05 UTC
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Ohhh, this be verra kool!

Would it be possible to put a wee marker in Stanley Park in Vancouver BC?

I love to run along the seawall (and will again, when they get it fixed)

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Message 5539 - Posted: 24 Apr 2007 | 4:28:53 UTC

kenzieB: Done. Will be included in next update.
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Message 5550 - Posted: 24 Apr 2007 | 19:05:54 UTC

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There's a placemark file in the downloads directory that has your user ID on it. However, it only seems to duplicate a marker for the town of Letter, Niedersachsen, Germany. Do you want a marker for yourself in this town?
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The file has been updated, a little early this week with all the changes. Once again go here to download.

Changes as of 25 April 2007:
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Message 5562 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007 | 1:43:30 UTC

Ummm, dumb grrl thing, but I couldn't find my spot. Found everyone else's, both here and Tim and the lads over on the Seti side.
I even found you (fellow Vancouverite). Any ideas what I'm doin' wrong?
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[EDIT] Ooops, sorry, Richmondite? Or Surreyite? Can never figure out where the border is!

Anyway, still can't find myself. (Of course, the be those who'd say that's normal enough!)

Don't know if it matters, but I can be marked as either a Pirate or Seti.

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Message 5565 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007 | 8:06:50 UTC

kenzieB: I'm not sure. You're right there in Stanley Park on my machine. I will take a look over it and re-upload, and hopefully that will do it.

Oh, and I'm a Richmondite. :)
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Message 5566 - Posted: 26 Apr 2007 | 8:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 5565.

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kenzieB: I'm not sure. You're right there in Stanley Park on my machine.


I found her there, too!
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Message 5576 - Posted: 27 Apr 2007 | 21:24:09 UTC

kenzieB: I've tried a bit of a clean up and a re-upload. Download the file again and see.
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Kinguni: Added your placemark file. Will be included next update.
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Message 5582 - Posted: 29 Apr 2007 | 9:19:46 UTC

Still no joy Raven, but don't worry about it. As anyone on the Seti side will tell you, I way beyond dumb when it comes to computers and technical stuff.
Its still a great view of the city. I can even count freighters in English Bay. Very cool indeed!
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Message 5583 - Posted: 29 Apr 2007 | 14:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 5582.

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Still no joy Raven,..
Its still a great view of the city. I can even count freighters in English Bay. Very cool indeed!


I think I see a problem here, and it's not with kenzieB. I can see her placemark quite clearly in Google Earth, but not when viewed via Google Maps.

I checked my own, and I show up in both. But under Z I only see Zain in Maps, while there are two others there with Earth. I've not done an exhaustive check of every letter, but it appears that some subset of placemarks are either missing or not shown with Google maps.

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Message 5586 - Posted: 29 Apr 2007 | 19:32:38 UTC - in response to Message 5582.

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Still no joy Raven, but don't worry about it. As anyone on the Seti side will tell you, I way beyond dumb when it comes to computers and technical stuff.

At this point you should change your punishment selection to Misfit.

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I think I see a problem here, and it's not with kenzieB. I can see her placemark quite clearly in Google Earth, but not when viewed via Google Maps.

I noticed somethin’ similar in an earlier version o’ th’ file, mentioned somewhere upthread.

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Message 5602 - Posted: 30 Apr 2007 | 17:52:52 UTC

The file has been updated again. Once again go here to download.

Changes as 30 April 2007:
Added users Ageless, BrainSmashR, Jim Milks, Kinguni
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Message 5603 - Posted: 1 May 2007 | 0:24:07 UTC

Thank you Odyesseus, Raven and Wormholio (Captain, my Captain) but the issue likely is with me.
Google Earth requires DirectX which I haven't installed. I was warned that it could allow others to control my 'putter and being a paranoid sort of person...

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Message 5610 - Posted: 1 May 2007 | 18:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 5603.

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Thank you Odyesseus, Raven and Wormholio (Captain, my Captain) but the issue likely is with me.
Google Earth requires DirectX which I haven't installed. I was warned that it could allow others to control my 'putter and being a paranoid sort of person...

I'm sorry miss, but that "I'm just a dumb girl" bit does not pass muster on this ship. Besides, we can plainly see signs of intelligence in your caution about what you download.

I think the problem here is with the clever fellas at Google. The latest placemarks file shows things up-to-date in Google Earth, but is still lacking on Maps. The "B"'s are missing for most users, and there are fewer of them, which makes me think that Maps is using an older, stale version of the placemarks file.

The one other possibility is that our Master of the Charts has to do something else when uploading the newest version to bring it up to date separately for Maps. But I would not expect that. Still, perhaps he can verify that there is no such thing needed?

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Message 5611 - Posted: 1 May 2007 | 19:23:20 UTC - in response to Message 5610.

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The latest placemarks file shows things up-to-date in Google Earth, but is still lacking on Maps. The "B"'s are missing for most users, and there are fewer of them, which makes me think that Maps is using an older, stale version of the placemarks file.

Setup of .kmz file from GE3 to the recently released GE4 is slightly different.
My original file (built with GE3) shows on GE but not Maps.
Maybe I should upload the same file built with GE4 and see if it then shows on Maps?

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Message 5612 - Posted: 1 May 2007 | 21:22:18 UTC - in response to Message 5603.
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Google Earth requires DirectX which I haven't installed. I was warned that it could allow others to control my 'putter and being a paranoid sort of person.


If I read the preferences in Google Earth correctly, you can use it either with DirectX or OpenGL, and you likely have OpenGL simply as part of your video card's drivers.

Our Fearless Leader wrote:
The one other possibility is that our Master of the Charts has to do something else when uploading the newest version to bring it up to date separately for Maps. But I would not expect that. Still, perhaps he can verify that there is no such thing needed?


I've not seen anything of the sort, but then, I've only been dealing with the pages that are Google Earth specific, not G-Maps. I'll take a look over it, though.
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Message 5615 - Posted: 1 May 2007 | 22:11:08 UTC

Okay, I've taken a quick look over a few things, and here's what I've come up with so far...

First, it says Google Maps uses a subset of KML (the markup language used by Google Earth to describe locations in a file) and that all GE features might not work. Thing is, I'm not using anything particularly complex in this file.

Second, I opened up the file in Google Maps myself to take a look. Sure enough, about half the placemarks are not there. At the very bottom of the screen, however, I get the following message:

Google Maps wrote:
Parts of http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/... could not be displayed because it contains errors.

Line 133: <Style> contains syntax errors


Personally, I edit my files directly in GE, rather than mess around with doing it by text editor, so I have no idea what that means. However, I also found the following interesting example...

In the "K" section on Maps, we have Keith Stanley, we have Knightmare, and we have absolutely nothing in between (kenzieB included). Keith's placemark had an open "<CENTER>" tag in the label, but no "</CENTER>" closing tag. (It does now!) Looking through the other intersecting labels, there is no closing tag until the placemark for Kirsten, which is directly before Knightmare's placemark. Thus all the placemarks affected by this "bad" html are missing.

In short, Maps seems to be a lot less forgiving of errors in code than GE itself is, possibly including labels that contain URLs without a link tag. (GE converts these to active links automatically, but I have no clue how Maps deals with them.) I will endeavour to clean things up, but this will take some time.

As a side note, I also have no idea why red and gold "B" icons show up, but the blue ones don't.

That's what I've found so far... I'll keep everyone posted.
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Message 5623 - Posted: 4 May 2007 | 9:23:26 UTC - in response to Message 5612.

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If I read the preferences in Google Earth correctly, you can use it either with DirectX or OpenGL, and you likely have OpenGL simply as part of your video card's drivers.

Indeed, if it required DirectX I don’t reckon ’twould work on a Mac at all. Needless t’ say that preference ain’t present in th’ Mac version o’ GE.

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code {dwarf}: Got your placemark file. Inclusion next update.
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Message 5635 - Posted: 5 May 2007 | 21:15:15 UTC

Another update! Check it out here to download.

Changes as of 4 May 2007:
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RE: Viewing the file in Google Maps.

I must've done something right, because now many of the placemarks show the blue "B". Still, many don't, and many more are missing. Time to see what's going on some more...

[EDIT: Okay, I'm stumped. The ones that show variously have good code and bad, and some have nothing at all in the labels, yet others that also have nothing are excluded. I still get the same error message, but it seems more and more arbitrary. I'll keep at the code cleanup, but I'm not sure how much more I can do here. Sorry.]
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Message 5638 - Posted: 6 May 2007 | 15:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 5637.

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RE: Viewing the file in Google Maps.

I must've done something right, because now many of the placemarks show the blue "B".

Congratulations, that's progress.

[EDIT: Okay, I'm stumped. ... I'll keep at the code cleanup, but I'm not sure how much more I can do here. Sorry.]


I think we'll be able to get to the "centre" of the problem (and that's a hint ;-) Thanks for all you've done so far.

As I said before, I think the real problem is with the folks at Google. It seems like the problem might be that Maps is not so good at parsing XML which might contain errors or incomplete blocks. But that's just my guess -- we can try to test it.

I unpacked the .kmz file and viewed just doc.kml (which is XML) with Firefox. Firefox seems to do a good job of matching tags, even though I see some unmatched HTML tags in the description fields. Google Earth probably does the same, while Maps gets confused.

A good way to attack this problem would be to make a copy of the file to use for testing. Then people can continue to use the good copy while we play with the test version. If you put the test copy on Google Earth Community and let us know where it is then the crew can help you sort this out.

Some other ideas are:
* Divide and conquer: break the test file into smaller parts (like just the A's or Z's) and see if you can understand the problem on the smaller parts.
* Divide and conquer II: if it seems that the problem is due to an isolated fault somehwere in the file then we can find it most efficiently by a binary search: try just the first half or last half of the file and see which has the fault. Then divide that section in half and see which half has the fault. And so on...
* To see if the problem is caused by HTML problems in the description blocks of various placemarks, then try removing the ALL description blocks to see if that improves the situation.

If you are willing to try some of these things, I would guess that some of the crew would be willing to help with feedback and further suggestions.

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Message 5639 - Posted: 6 May 2007 | 19:51:04 UTC

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I think we'll be able to get to the "centre" of the problem.


Wait a minute... I'm Canadian. Isn't that spelled correctly? ;)

(Had noticed those. Seems they were cut-and-pasted as templates into most of bjango's original file. I've eliminated a lot of them, but I guess not all.)

I will take your advice and try looking at the XML of it. I still prefer to work in GE itself, but that would be a big help. I'll let everyone know where help would be needed, once I do. Cheers!
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Message 5640 - Posted: 6 May 2007 | 22:20:47 UTC - in response to Message 5639.
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Wait a minute... I'm Canadian. Isn't that spelled correctly? ;)
Not when it begins <center> and ends </centre> :-)

Those may be part of the problem, but I'm guessing not all of it.

...I still prefer to work in GE itself, but that would be a big help. I'll let everyone know where help would be needed, once I do. Cheers!

I think some of the things I suggested, like breaking the file down into smaller pieces to find a particular problem, could be done just with GE and test versions of the file, at least at first, without having to dig into the XML until later.


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Message 5647 - Posted: 9 May 2007 | 17:44:52 UTC

A little update to the above problem:

I am currently going through all the placemarks with label information in GE, one by one, and re-writing anything that needs it. This includes eliminating stale hyperlinks, closing tags (and correctly spelling them as needed), turning links to mundayweb signatures and the like into image links so they show up, and so on. I hope to have this done before I update the file again. If there are still problems following this, I will enlist everyone's help in tracking down errors on the KML level.

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Message 5648 - Posted: 9 May 2007 | 18:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 5647.
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A little update to the above problem:

I am currently going through all the placemarks with label information in GE, one by one, and re-writing anything that needs it.....


I know this might need to be done in any case, but I also have a test we could try to see if it's really the cause of the problem:

Just take out all the <description> blocks and see what happens (publish the result as a separate file to avoid interfering with people using the current one).

We've been assuming that the messed up HTML in various placmark labels is the cause of the problem on Maps, but it's not clear to me that this has to be the case. After looking at the KML some more I see that any HTML is protected by a CDATA block, presumably to protect against bad HTML.

Maybe Maps screws up anyway, or maybe the problem persists when you eliminate all descriptions? Or maybe it fixes it? It should be a quick test, and easier on you than editing all those placemarks by hand.


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Message 5656 - Posted: 10 May 2007 | 0:38:58 UTC

There appears to be a problem with the website at http://www.pcschmiede.de.tf/boinc/, which hosted a GE placemark file of BOINC project-related locations.

A moderator at CPDN had an attempted software install, and links to adult websites, when he clicked on the link. you can view the text of his experience here.

Until this is resolved, do not click on the above link to pcschmiede.de.tf!
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Message 5662 - Posted: 10 May 2007 | 4:50:25 UTC

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As it is, going through the existing labels is making many of them empty due to stale links, not to mention making the file smaller overall and somewhat pretiier and easier to manage. And, it did need to be done, being almost a year without maintenance between bjango's original and my restart. I will try KML-level possibilities after this work is done, if problems persist. Thanks again for the suggestions on where to look when I do, it will help!
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Message 5670 - Posted: 10 May 2007 | 17:16:13 UTC

An update on the issue at the site pcschmiede.de.tf:

The pop-up for an adult dating site seems to be a deliberate revenue-generating attempt by the site. While probably harmless, it's not necessarily everyone's cup of tea, so, use discretion if using the link. The GE BOINC locations placemark file IS on the site, and genuine (downloaded it myself yesterday) but if you'd rather not be inundated with adult ads, don't bother.
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Message 5679 - Posted: 11 May 2007 | 16:24:47 UTC

The maintainer of the BOINC Project Locations file for GE has graciously moved the file from his original site with the adult advertising (that was out of his control) to his blog, which is clear of such things. The URL is http://cb-tools.pytalhost.de/blog/?p=12
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I've made some progress, insofar as the error message now shows that the error occurs much further on in the file than before. The bad news, however, is that placemarks that did show previously are now missing, seemingly arbitrarily. I'll start checking the KML of the file next, and advise everyone on where help would be appreciated. Cheers for everyone's patience.
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Message 5728 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 16:21:55 UTC

I have made some progress on generating a Placemarks file from the Pirate@Home preferences. You can download and view the first draft from http://pirates.spy-hill.net/user_profile/placemarks.kml (this may not be the final URL for such a thing, but it's where I put it for now).

The biggest challenge turned out to be parsing lattitude and longitude in the wide range of forms people used. I used the "treasure location" data people had set earlier to test the algorithm, though I won't release those data publicly. Still, it was a big help, and I think the algorithm is robust.

Even so, I can see that some folks have their placemarks 180 degrees off due to not specifying east/west longitude, and I also seem to have stated the wrong convention in the input form (which I've fixed).

To continue testing this I'm asking anyone who's got a second to enter their own coordinates (or coordinates of some known location) as Home Port. I'll generate a new file and then you can go and see that it gets it right.

I should mention that one reason I looked at this again today was that my colleages at QuarkNet might be interested in generating a placemarks file showing where all their cosmic ray detectors are located. If that happens I'll see if I can get a pointer to it for those who might be interested.

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Message 5729 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 17:21:33 UTC - in response to Message 5728.

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Even so, I can see that some folks have their placemarks 180 degrees off due to not specifying east/west longitude, and I also seem to have stated the wrong convention in the input form (which I've fixed).

To continue testing this I'm asking anyone who's got a second to enter their own coordinates (or coordinates of some known location) as Home Port. I'll generate a new file and then you can go and see that it gets it right.


Just tried to reinput the location. Now the seconds are cut off only degrees and minutes stay. So it will probably/possibly loose exactness? And my N and E have vanished, too. Is it now with plus and minus? Which is which?

We'll see when i have finished the "google atlantic" swim in some days.

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Message 5730 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 19:00:48 UTC - in response to Message 5729.

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Just tried to reinput the location. Now the seconds are cut off only degrees and minutes stay. So it will probably/possibly loose exactness? And my N and E have vanished, too. Is it now with plus and minus? Which is which?


It should preserve whatever you type in, including minutes and seconds, N or S, E or W. For the placemarks file it will convert these to decimal degrees, with West and South negative. But that is for the placemarks file, and should not have an effect on what you type in your preferences. In fact, it should be very good about allowing a wide variety of formats ( Degrees, minutes, seconds, degrees and decimal minutes, decimal degrees), and I'd like to hear about any input format which should work but doesn't.


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Message 5731 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 19:19:28 UTC - in response to Message 5730.

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It should preserve whatever you type in, including minutes and seconds, N or S, E or W. ...

Just for testing, I now have the preferences display show both what you typed in and how it will be translated. So you should be able to see immediately how well it handles different ways of entering the coordinates.

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Message 5732 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 19:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 5730.

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It should preserve whatever you type in, including minutes and seconds, N or S, E or W. For the placemarks file it will convert these to decimal degrees, with West and South negative. But that is for the placemarks file, and should not have an effect on what you type in your preferences. In fact, it should be very good about allowing a wide variety of formats ( Degrees, minutes, seconds, degrees and decimal minutes, decimal degrees), and I'd like to hear about any input format which should work but doesn't.


Ok I can type it in, then its well. But when I reenter the "edit preferences" page there is again only 53°35 without the last '25.63 N. And I need not enter the inputfield of the homeport. The program translates both versions to 53.583333333333 even if i type in only 53°35.
I dont really know but shouldn't there be a difference? Comparing the two places in Google earth: they are about 1.4 km from each other.
Perhaps I've missed something.
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Message 5733 - Posted: 24 May 2007 | 19:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 5732.

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Ok I can type it in, then its well. But when I reenter the "edit preferences" page there is again only 53°35 without the last '25.63 N. And I need not enter the inputfield of the homeport. The program translates both versions to 53.583333333333 even if i type in only 53°35.


Okay, I see what is going on. The number is entered correctly, but it is not shown correctly in the input box because the minute-mark is being mistaken for the single quote which closes the item.

I've added something to show this to the form. I will think through the best way to deal with this (and perhaps a similar problem with seconds-mark being mistaken for a double quote).

So it's nothing wrong on your end. Thanks for testing it.



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Message 5736 - Posted: 25 May 2007 | 1:16:19 UTC

I jus’ launched Google Earth ’n found that th’ BOINC placemarks—both versions, Raven’s ’n Noel_B’s—have been added t’ th’ Google Earth Community Forums under “Earth Browsing”, without any special icons, jus’ th’ generic “i” symbols. I wonder whether or nah thar’s any way t’ suppress th’ ole version.

I also jus’ edited me home port, enterin’ degrees wit’ th’ degree symbol, followed by decimal minutes (wit’ no single quote or prime symbol), ’n it seemed t’ be understood. But thar’s no indication o’ E & W i’ th’ parsed result, so I can nah be sure I haven’t been relocated t’ Siberia …

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I also jus’ edited me home port, enterin’ degrees wit’ th’ degree symbol, followed by decimal minutes (wit’ no single quote or prime symbol), ’n it seemed t’ be understood.

That's a case it is supposed to handle correctly.

But thar’s no indication o’ E & W i’ th’ parsed result, so I can nah be sure I haven’t been relocated t’ Siberia …

Since by convention East is positive and West is negative, leaving out W or a minus sign would indeed put you out in Siberia. And in fact that's where I saw you when I looked.

You should be able to add "W" either as a prefix or postfix, or put a minus sign on the number. Give it a try.

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I must have broken something.

Just loading the Pirates preference page gives me

Cannot parse degrees: >< from preg_replace() gives Cannot parse degrees: >< from preg_replace() gives


Since when do I pay attention to error messages? So, I tried putting in my coordinates (the Free Stamp sculpture thing in Cleveland) and when I click on update, I get a blank page. The URL seems to have all the information to pass to the database.

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You know as soon as I posted this, I went back and tried it one more time and it worked.
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You caught me just as I was working on it.

It should now be possible to use ' and " in lattitude and longitude.

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Message 5740 - Posted: 25 May 2007 | 3:53:35 UTC - in response to Message 5736.

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I jus’ launched Google Earth ’n found that th’ BOINC placemarks—both versions, Raven’s ’n Noel_B’s—have been added t’ th’ Google Earth Community Forums under “Earth Browsing”, without any special icons, jus’ th’ generic “i” symbols. I wonder whether or nah thar’s any way t’ suppress th’ ole version.


When something is added to the generic community layer, they all get just the standard "i"'s, simply because downloading the lot of special icons would probably clog your connection for hours. I don't believe there's any way to get rid of the old version unless, at the very least, bjango were to delete his original post.
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Message 5741 - Posted: 25 May 2007 | 6:31:16 UTC - in response to Message 5737.

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I also jus’ edited me home port, enterin’ degrees wit’ th’ degree symbol, followed by decimal minutes (wit’ no single quote or prime symbol), ’n it seemed t’ be understood.

That's a case it is supposed to handle correctly.

Just pointin’ out that it did …

Since by convention East is positive and West is negative, leaving out W or a minus sign would indeed put you out in Siberia. And in fact that's where I saw you when I looked.
You should be able to add "W" either as a prefix or postfix, or put a minus sign on the number. Give it a try.

Reentered in DMS wit’ hemispheres ’n they were parsed correctly.

Th’ Heavens Above site has a map o’ th’ locations that ’ave been registered thar. A fair number appear t’ come from erroneous coordinate entries.

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Message 5743 - Posted: 25 May 2007 | 11:51:19 UTC - in response to Message 5741.

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Th’ Heavens Above site has a map o’ th’ locations that ’ave been registered thar. A fair number appear t’ come from erroneous coordinate entries.


Neat map. But then Heavens Above is neat in general. I enjoy going out to catch an Iridium flare every now and again. It's especially impressive when the sky is a bit cloudy but the flare burns through it, right where it's predicted to appear. It makes you believe in math and physics. :-)

Some of the positions on that map may just be random entries. You can see pretty clearly that some people just entered some number for latitude (maybe the correct one, maybe not) and zero for longitude. Or perhaps they entered an invalid longitude value and it was converted to zero. Either way, you can see the ghost of the Prime Meridian on the map. But you don't see the same effect for the equator. I wonder why.

It makes some sense that people might make data entry errors when there are several ways to enter the same value, and you have to remember the sign convention, and you don't have a direct way to check. I wonder if we could make use of a Google gadget to show a map of what you've entered, for confirmation. I'll look into that.

I have intentionally left off any instructions or examples in the data entry form, to see the different ways people might enter coordinates. But I think giving an example would also help prevent errors, so I'll add that once this first round of testing is over.

QuarkNet has over 200 cosmic ray detectors, with positions surveyed using GPS. I'm sure they have cross-checked their positions, but I'm wondering if we'll catch a data entry error when we plot the cluster. We shall see...
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Here is a direct link to the Heavens Above map: http://www.heavens-above.com/worldvisits.aspx

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You caught me just as I was working on it.



I seem to be good at doing that.

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Message 5766 - Posted: 28 May 2007 | 22:50:52 UTC

I have just updated the file again. (Sorry, no headway in the Google Maps issues. Real life has been intruding.) Click here to download.

Changes as of 28 May 2007:
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And now for something completely different... a long overdueupdate. Click here to download. Apologies to those who waited so patiently to be added.

Changes as of 17 September 2007:
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At the next update, please move my position to Columbus, IN (47201) as it shows me down in Texas where I used to live. Thanks.
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ThePhantom86: Will do. Hope to have more frequent updates from now on. Maybe. :)

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Message 6549 - Posted: 22 Sep 2007 | 0:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 6546.

Congrats. :)

I really just wanted the 100th post anyway. Arrr.
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Message 6616 - Posted: 11 Oct 2007 | 21:31:34 UTC

It shows me to be in the middle of a field. Nice!

Are the founders on the list just founders of Pirates@Home teams?
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Message 6724 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007 | 5:49:18 UTC - in response to Message 6616.

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Are the founders on the list just founders of Pirates@Home teams?


Not strictly. I'm doing this across a few projects, so it's for the founder of any team on any project (or multiple projects).

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Interesting. I'm a founder on several projects, as well as a listed BOINC team founder and it doesn't show me as such.

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Message 7132 - Posted: 8 Feb 2008 | 21:31:14 UTC

At long last, an update! Click here to download.

(In other news, the NHL has announced a new expansion team in Hell. :)

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Message 7146 - Posted: 11 Feb 2008 | 22:40:44 UTC

Another update! I'm on a roll! Click here to download.

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Message 7147 - Posted: 12 Feb 2008 | 2:29:11 UTC - in response to Message 7146.

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Note to Wormholio: I have incorporated all the files from the uploaded placemark folder. You can delete what's there as of today now. Thanks.

I cleaned the directory, but then remembered that we also now collect "Home Port" location from project preferences. So I ran the script to collect those, and now you'll find one file of those placemarks in that directory. I don't know how many are new or changed.

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So I ran the script to collect those, and now you'll find one file of those placemarks in that directory. I don't know how many are new or changed.


Looks like a fair number of them are new, and some are ones I already have that have been moved, whether intentionally or accidentally. (Yours is slightly changed from the position I currently have... Kinguni's is an even 180 degrees of longitude off the location I have him in my file.) And some have renamed their account names, or have indicated actual residences (which I don't want to do, for obvious reasons).

I will include the new ones as is... the changed ones I will leave behind with a note here to check your placement and get back to me. You can erase the file, I have it.
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You can erase the file, I have it.

Better yet, I'll have RoboCodeDwarf generate a new one every week or so.

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Message 7156 - Posted: 13 Feb 2008 | 17:27:35 UTC
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An almost all-Pirates update! Click here to download.

Most of the added users came from the "Home Port" function in the Pirates@Home preferences section of your account here. Those users who had indicated a point on dry land were included as is, although some were moved slightly as their original mark appeared to pinpoint a specific residence, and as I've said before, I don't want to be responsible for nutcase cyberstalkers looking you up. Please check the location of your placemark and get back to me through a reply to this thread if it needs altering.

Contact, Kinguni, KSMarksPsych, KWSN - Sir Brian - err sorry - wrong film!, Lee Carre, Odysseus, Saenger, Wormholio, Morgan the Gold and Kalessin: You were all previously included in the file. Your placemarks have NOT been changed. I would appreciate it if you reviewed the location of your placemark in the current file and get back to me regarding your wishes for it (including adding team tags in some cases).

nate77af (1,1) [B^S] Ralfy, FDB S.r.l., FreeLarry, kabel-versand.de, Ray Murray, and Stainless Cutlass: Your placemarks were in various places in the middle of the ocean. While I don't mind if that's where you want it, I didn't include your marks in the file on the chance that it was a mistake. Please also get back to me through this thread as to where you want your placemarks to be.

ID10t and Piescik: Please let me know if you are in fact one and the same person. Although I included your placemarks, I notice that they are exactly identical.

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KSMarksPsych...You were all previously included in the file. Your placemarks have NOT been changed. I would appreciate it if you reviewed the location of your placemark in the current file and get back to me regarding your wishes for it (including adding team tags in some cases).


Since I'm in Korea now and I plan on staying roughly another 18 months, the marker in Ulsan is most appropriate for me. .-)

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I've found a bug in the coordinates parsing. I've already asked for a list of allowed homeport positional formats in the past (if I could just find it), nevertheless although following position is accepted:

Latitude: N 48º 12.089' Longitude: E 17° 09.690'

Google maps is placing me a bit off...... I wondered, but found out: exactly at N48, E17.

So I'm repeating my wish: please the list of supported positional formats ,-)
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Message 7183 - Posted: 20 Feb 2008 | 17:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 7162.

[Pepo]I've found a bug in the coordinates parsing. I've already asked for a list of allowed homeport positional formats in the past (if I could just find it), nevertheless although following position is accepted:

Latitude: N 48º 12.089' Longitude: E 17° 09.690'
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Yes, there did seem to be some mix-up regarding entering in decimal minutes as you did (which were transferred to the label information of your placemark correctly) and the actual placing in GE. I entered the co-ordinates you supplied, as-is, into GE by hand for you and it converted them automatically to minutes and seconds, so, you've been repositioned.

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Click here to download today's update!

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Message 7185 - Posted: 20 Feb 2008 | 17:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 7162.

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So I'm repeating my wish: please the list of supported positional formats ,-)


Well, there are two possibilities: do you want the ideal, expected formats to be supported, or the ones in practice?

Ideally, any format should be supported. If it's clear to a human then the computer should be able to parse it too. We should have the computer do the work when it can, and let people enter the coordinates in any reasonable format.

(It always bugs me when a site wants you to enter a credit card number with no spaces, or a telephone number with no spaces or hyphens. Those are things that make reading and typing the number easier, and the computer can easily remove them or adjust for them. In fact if it's a US phone number and there is a hyphen in it, you can use that as another check to validate the input data).

In practice? We try to pares all reasonable formats, but it doesn't always work. In your case, I think you entered two different symbols for degrees, and they may or may not have been the ones I'm looking for. So the fix would be to allow for any of a wide range of symbols to specify degrees, as well as ' for minutes and either " or double ' for seconds, or decimal degrees.

I do want to get this working, not just for this placemarks project but also for I2U2. The QuarkNet e-Lab for I2U2 has about 250 cosmic ray detectors in place, primarily at schools, and we've been talking about making a placemarks file to show that array in Google Earth. I don't know yet if they forced users to enter the detector positions in a particular format, or if they allowed several formats. I expect that once the positions are shown on a map we'll discover some errors.
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Message 7186 - Posted: 20 Feb 2008 | 23:29:33 UTC - in response to Message 7185.
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Yes, there did seem to be some mix-up regarding entering in decimal minutes as you did (which were transferred to the label information of your placemark correctly) and the actual placing in GE. I entered the co-ordinates you supplied, as-is, into GE by hand for you and it converted them automatically to minutes and seconds, so, you've been repositioned.

I seem still to be placed at N48.000,E17.000 .-)
Possibly because the linked Gooogle maps page says:
BOINC Users.kmz
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I've noticed the same problem with Anblick - instead of staying in southeast Denver, he had to migrate some 100 miles southeast into fields, to N39.00°, W104.00°.
The same with [B^S] elektrohase - in the fields around N48.00, E14.00 instead of mid Kronstorf.
And detto with Darth Roxx - he even used German notation for East - 8° 23′ O, but still the position was truncated to full degrees.
OTOH, I've noticed that format like 41°44'28.50"N is parsed correctly. [edit]Not really, seconds are truncated.[/edit]

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Pepo wrote:

So I'm repeating my wish: please the list of supported positional formats ,-)


Well, there are two possibilities: do you want the ideal, expected formats to be supported, or the ones in practice?

Doesn't matter, there can be 3-4 formats, mostly used in the praxis, which coud supported by the parser and I have no problem to generate my position in any of them:
+48.2014833
48.2014833º
48º 12.089'
48º 12' 5.34"
48°12'05.34"
N/S/E/W in front of the number
N/S/E/W behind the number
and so on...

In practice? We try to pares all reasonable formats, but it doesn't always work. In your case, I think you entered two different symbols for degrees, and they may or may not have been the ones I'm looking for.

Yes, it was intentionally (or deliberately?), I've found two similar symbols back then and didn't know which will be recognized - and both were accepted.

So the fix would be to allow for any of a wide range of symbols to specify degrees, as well as ' for minutes and either " or double ' for seconds, or decimal degrees.

As a first approximation, I've noticed that the Pirates@Home preferences page immediately displays the parsed position, like:
Displayed prefs: Latitude: N48°12'23" (translates to 48.2) - (The forum SW has stolen some text here, it possibly looked like html stuff. Not so important.)
At least I know now which derees symbol was the correct one!
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Message 7187 - Posted: 21 Feb 2008 | 1:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 7186.

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As a first approximation, I've noticed that the Pirates@Home preferences page immediately displays the parsed position, like:
Displayed prefs: Latitude: N48°12'23" (translates to 48.2)

That's debugging code I used when I wrote the parser, and I just turned it back on so that we can see if we can see where the problems are.

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I've noticed the same problem with Anblick - instead of staying in southeast Denver, he had to migrate some 100 miles southeast into fields, to N39.00°, W104.00°.
...
And detto with Darth Roxx - he even used German notation for East - 8° 23′ O, but still the position was truncated to full degrees.

I may see something. It looks like there is a space _after_ the degree symbol, whatever is used, and the parser may not like that. (Bad parser! No biscuit.)

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(Bad parser! No biscuit.)

Crack it anyway!
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Message 7192 - Posted: 21 Feb 2008 | 20:41:03 UTC
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Blargh... 'scuse me while I go through the ones I added. Someone pour me a rum.

[EDIT: At first glance, it appears that the system has no problem when decimal degrees are entered. It's when some people entered decimal minutes that it simply chopped off everything after the degrees. ]

[FURTHER EDIT: It also seems to have a problem with decimal seconds, typically dropping them to the minutes only. ]

[LAST EDIT: I have gone through the ones I added from Pirates and edited their placemark location from the entered information directly. It did result in several users being placed in urban areas rather than in large open areas of forest. Any that weren't changed are where I was at the mercy of what was entered by the user. The changed file has been uploaded.]
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Message 7194 - Posted: 22 Feb 2008 | 0:45:45 UTC

Raven, thanks for getting me home .-)
Capt'n, when may we correctly enter the treasure position in (decimal) deg(+min(+sec)) values? Would some external code review (albeit one-sighted) be somehow helpful?
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Pepo wrote:
I've found two similar symbols back then and didn't know which will be recognized - and both were accepted.

AFAICT only one of them (in your longitude as originally given) is actually a degree symbol. The other (in your latitude above) is the masculine ordinal symbol, as in “1º”, primo, for example; it’s actually a tiny “o”, rather than a perfect circle*, and in some fonts it’s underlined.

* In fonts where the “o” is a perfect circle, you can still usually distinguish the two symbols by their size or weight.

P.S. A third one to watch for is the Danish (?) ring accent, as in “Ångstrom”: it’s usually smaller and lighter than either of the other two.
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Message 7276 - Posted: 2 Mar 2008 | 22:10:01 UTC

Update time! Click here to download!

A note about this update: Several users lately have been adding a team tag in front of their user names to indicate belonging to a specific team. While this is understandable, it makes trying to organize placemarks somewhat difficult, and in some cases made user names ridiculously long. As a result, starting now and in future, team tags will be left off a user's name when added to the placemark file. If you wish to indicate your allegiance in the file, you can always contact me and give me the URL of a custom team signature or other graphic or text to be included in your placemark's label (the box that pops up when a placemark is selected in Google Earth) and I will be happy to include it in the next update. Cheers!

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I got your updates right here!

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I added my location to the Pirates community prefs some time ago, but I still so not show up on Google Earth. Is there something else that I need to do?


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Message 7316 - Posted: 13 Mar 2008 | 20:53:29 UTC

My apologies, Scott, I hadn't downloaded the file of placemarks from Pirates lately. I have you now and though I won't be putting your name down as added yet I am putting you up in the file, so all you have to do is download it again.
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Thanks, Raven!
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Uploaded my placemark (at http://pirates.spy-hill.net/placemark_upload.php), I hope this does still work... :-)

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Message 7403 - Posted: 1 Apr 2008 | 19:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 7318.
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Did my location change for the day too?
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Message 7416 - Posted: 1 Apr 2008 | 20:43:01 UTC

Looking good!
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Message 7426 - Posted: 1 Apr 2008 | 22:26:28 UTC - in response to Message 7403.
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Clyde wrote:
Did my location change for the day too?

Whether our Chart Master Monkey's Paw (a.k.a. Raven) is that prompt?

So, then, I seem to be the Little Cinta (CHEEN tah):
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[size=+1]Cinta (The Baby)[/size]


Little Cinta (CHEEN tah) is turning out to be one spunky guy! His mom, Indah, had never had a baby before and wasn't quite certain what to do with her newborn. But Cinta, through sheer determination and a loud voice, made sure his needs were met.

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Message 7428 - Posted: 1 Apr 2008 | 22:41:35 UTC - in response to Message 7426.

His mom, Indah, ...

Indah looks similar to Kalessin's avatar? [size=-3]Are we supposed to be relative apes?[/size]
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Message 7940 - Posted: 4 Oct 2008 | 20:50:57 UTC

After far longer than I would have cared for it to be, here at last is a new update! Click here to download.

Changes as of 4 October 2008:
Added users Andrej Otroshenko, Andrew, Dingo, Dune_Finkleberry™, gaz, Helsionium, hiamps, Jim_Clark, John M., JohnS, SteveK, Thunder, WikiWill, xgrinch and zerocool
Renamed user Albert Einstein to Mr. Majestic and updated team information.

To all Pirates@Home users who have entered placemarks via the profiles on this project, and have been waiting patiently, I have not forgotten you. I will be updating from that file next!
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Message 8541 - Posted: 17 Apr 2009 | 19:22:33 UTC

After far too long again (sorry!), a new update! Click here to download.

Changes as of : 17 April 2009
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In addition, the following Pirates@Home users from the placemark file generated by project preferences were NOT included, because their placemarks were either in the middle of the ocean, in the middle of the desert, or in the middle of nowhere. If you wish to be included, please reply and let me know of your exact location.

Abedul, Adam Carpenter, Alberto Rodríguez Cueva, André, Apo-Des Consulting, Athanatis, B. Kunze, Bart De Brucker, BenH, Bent Petersen, bercant, blocko, bt1228, Cabezon [Canarias]
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Message 8542 - Posted: 18 Apr 2009 | 21:51:59 UTC

An all-Pirate update this time. Click here to download.

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This update came from the placemark file generated by those who set their location in their Pirates@Home preferences under their account. If your placemark is not here, and you think it should be, it's because it was located either in the middle of the ocean, the middle of the desert, or the middle of nowhere. If you want to be included, leave a message in this thread telling me where you are (a town or city name is sufficient for this). Cheers!
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Message 8796 - Posted: 27 Jan 2010 | 12:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 8542.



Hi Raven,

Stick me on 53.739961,-0.330769 which should put me on top of the Tidal Barrier on the River Hull (Hull, UK)

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Message 8864 - Posted: 8 May 2010 | 6:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 8796.

kinhull wrote:
Stick me on 53.739961,-0.330769 which should put me on top of the Tidal Barrier on the River Hull (Hull, UK)


Hi, Kinhull.

Sorry for the late reply, I've been out of the loop a while, as you can see.
You are already in the file, in approximately the location you specified. You must have been in bjango's original, as I have no record of adding you. You can double check the position or, if you would like, I will shuffle it over to the one above.

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Message 8876 - Posted: 31 Jul 2010 | 18:42:32 UTC

Hey,, If I wasn't already listed.... Everett, WA USA or 98204.

And where is the MAP? I didnt see a link in the first few posts...and i haven't read all the posts.
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Message 8877 - Posted: 1 Aug 2010 | 3:35:37 UTC - in response to Message 8876.
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Viking69 wrote:
And where is the MAP?

The placemark file (BOINC Users.kmz) for Google Earth is available on this page.

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