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Message 3763 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 15:40:32 UTC
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For your information, I've just had a couple of these fail with exit code -129. In both instances, this was almost exactly 15 minutes after starting.

The current one has been running for over 30 minutes, so - hooks crossed.

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Message 3764 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 15:45:22 UTC
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So, this morning I got a bunch of Scroll 5.05 WU's Est time to complete - many over 8 hours - nearly all are aborting, crashing after crunching for 15-30 mintues -

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Is this correct ? And if so - are we to get credit for the aborted WU's ?
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Message 3765 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 15:53:26 UTC

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Got a scroll 5.05 this morning. Original estimate to complete 40 hrs. Now running about 20 min and down to 38 mins left. Only noticed one bug, that it shows GMT as -1 hr from EDT. (10:53 GMT shown at 11:53 EDT.)
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Message 3766 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:09:08 UTC

Hi there all,
I've got one too. It started running 45 mins ago and estimated time to complete ha increased from about 14.5 hours to 15.25 ie. estimated time to complete is increasing at about 1 second per second! I know this happens sometimes at the start of Rosetta and QMC but I'm slightly worried as there hasn't yet been a drop off of time as happens with the others.
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Message 3767 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 3764.

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So, this morning I got a bunch of Scroll 5.05 WU's Est time to complete - many over 8 hours - nearly all are aborting, crashing after crunching for 15-30 mintues -

Is this correct ? And if so - are we to get credit for the aborted WU's ?


This is correct (at least for now). If the graphics are not initialized within the first 15 minutes the WU aborts with an error.

In the past I've had WU's abort shortly after starting if graphics were not initialized, with success. Then credit is awarded at the smaller amount, even if another WU went the distance. The error code here prevents credit being awarded this way.


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Message 3768 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:20:01 UTC

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it looks like it will take 200 hours for me to complete this unless it fails will the deadlines be extended?

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Message 3769 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:24:23 UTC

???Confusion on deck???

Will credit be granted based on length of run, independent of whether it errored out or not? Or will all credit for a particular unit be given to the lowest claimed amount?
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Message 3770 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:28:33 UTC - in response to Message 3765.

Dr. Bill Skiba wrote:
Only noticed one bug, that it shows GMT as -1 hr from EDT. (10:53 GMT shown at 11:53 EDT.)


I was worried that the GMT determiniation might not work, and will check it and try to fix it in another release. Please confirm that you have your timezone set correctly on the box and in your BOINC preferences, as that could cause it to get the TZ wrong.
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Message 3771 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 3768.
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[quote]
it looks like it will take 200 hours for me to complete this unless it fails will the deadlines be extended?

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i brought up the screen saver and it says 24% completed and boinc manager was saying .86% but while writing this it updated to match the screen saver so now it looks like 8 hours to complete. My inital estamate was based on 1.5 hours to complete .86%
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Message 3772 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:30:54 UTC - in response to Message 3768.

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it looks like it will take 200 hours for me to complete this


That estimate may be off. It should take about 5 hours to complete. I will refine the work estimate after I get more feedback from the fleet. For now, I intentionally overestimated.

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Message 3773 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:32:36 UTC - in response to Message 3769.

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???Confusion on deck???

Will credit be granted based on length of run, independent of whether it errored out or not? Or will all credit for a particular unit be given to the lowest claimed amount?


Credit won't be granted to WU's which error out, which mainly means those that don't start graphics (error -129).

Of those that do complete, the usual rules apply: lowest value of the two WU's that make the initial quorum.
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Message 3774 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:43:12 UTC - in response to Message 3770.

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Dr. Bill Skiba wrote:
Only noticed one bug, that it shows GMT as -1 hr from EDT. (10:53 GMT shown at 11:53 EDT.)


I was worried that the GMT determiniation might not work, and will check it and try to fix it in another release. Please confirm that you have your timezone set correctly on the box and in your BOINC preferences, as that could cause it to get the TZ wrong.



As you suspected. My box's time zone is set correctly for Eastern US. However, the pirate preferences were set to "use local time". I changed that now to GMT and updated boinc, but screensaver still shows incorrect time. I guess the unit would have to restart to get the message.
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Message 3775 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 16:45:46 UTC - in response to Message 3770.

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Dr. Bill Skiba wrote:
Only noticed one bug, that it shows GMT as -1 hr from EDT. (10:53 GMT shown at 11:53 EDT.)


I was worried that the GMT determiniation might not work, and will check it and try to fix it in another release. Please confirm that you have your timezone set correctly on the box and in your BOINC preferences, as that could cause it to get the TZ wrong.

Confirm Bill's note about GMT vs. EDT, OS WinXP Home, BOINC 5.4.11.

I also noticed that when I close the graphics and then open them again, it looks as if the scroll has continued while the graphics were closed, I'm farther into the story than when I left it. (Just as well, the tilt makes it really hard to read!)

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Message 3776 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 17:12:40 UTC

Everything is working fine, except for one little thing.
The progress bar doesn't update correctly. Actually it doesn't update at all on my computer, unless I start the graphics.
If the graphic is open, the progress bar works correctly. If I close the graphic, the progress bar just stops working.
The only way to make the progress bar working again, is to open the graphic.
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Message 3777 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 17:15:06 UTC

It looks like Boinc Manager will only update the progress bar when graphics are visible. I have activated the graphics (not in screensaver mode). Hopefully the app will not crash when 100% are reached because of that.
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Message 3778 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 17:16:10 UTC

My my, is that the whole book of Treasure Island in the graphics/screen saver? And can't is scroll a little faster? ;-)
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Message 3779 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 17:47:41 UTC

I take it the scroll 5.05 doesn't checkpoint? I am using the new BOINC 5.6.4 (alpha), which lets results that don't checkpoint run on until they end. My normal switch between projects time is 30 minutes, it's been 35 minutes since scroll 5.05 started. It's still going.
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Message 3780 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 17:57:57 UTC - in response to Message 3767.

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This is correct (at least for now). If the graphics are not initialized within the first 15 minutes the WU aborts with an error.

In the past I've had WU's abort shortly after starting if graphics were not initialized, with success. Then credit is awarded at the smaller amount, even if another WU went the distance. The error code here prevents credit being awarded this way.




Makes sense - I don't run screen saver - all installed as a service.
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Message 3781 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 18:25:35 UTC

What happens if the state too many error results is reached for a wu.

Does that mean that the remaining wu will also get 0 credits though it is working properly? If that was the case i would abort mine because my one is the only running successfully.


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Message 3782 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 18:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 3779.

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I take it the scroll 5.05 doesn't checkpoint? I am using the new BOINC 5.6.4 (alpha), which lets results that don't checkpoint run on until they end. My normal switch between projects time is 30 minutes, it's been 35 minutes since scroll 5.05 started. It's still going.


No, it should checkpoint. You can see the checkpoint file in the slot.

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Message 3783 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 18:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 3781.

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What happens if the state too many error results is reached for a wu.

Does that mean that the remaining wu will also get 0 credits though it is working properly? If that was the case i would abort mine because my one is the only running successfully.



Two Results are generated initially for each WU, and more as required if some return errors or don't return at all. The same user cannot run more than one Result per WU (so most just think of the Result as the WU, and that is fine).

At least two successful Results are required for credit.

If there are 3 errors returned the entire WU fails.

There are a maximum of 7 Results per WU.

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Message 3784 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 19:32:22 UTC - in response to Message 3780.

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[quote=Wormholio]Makes sense - I don't run screen saver - all installed as a service.


And you are not alone. A lot of this crew does not even look at the graphics, and that is fine.

To prevent huge numbers of errors due to the timeouts during this run I've cut down the number of WU's per day to 11.

That way those who are not looking at the graphics can be done with this mess quickly and go on to doing better things, like searching for gravitational waves.
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Message 3785 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 19:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 3783.

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[quote=Rayburner]What happens if the state too many error results is reached for a wu.

Does that mean that the remaining wu will also get 0 credits though it is working properly? If that was the case i would abort mine because my one is the only running successfully.



Two Results are generated initially for each WU, and more as required if some return errors or don't return at all. The same user cannot run more than one Result per WU (so most just think of the Result as the WU, and that is fine).

At least two successful Results are required for credit.

If there are 3 errors returned the entire WU fails.

There are a maximum of 7 Results per WU.
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Unfortunately, the way I read this, people will be returning valid work after running for 5 hours and get zero credit.

I have a similar result that has already received four errors and two results waiting to be returned that are presumably running for the duration.

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Message 3786 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 19:53:18 UTC - in response to Message 3784.

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[quote=Wormholio]Makes sense - I don't run screen saver - all installed as a service.


And you are not alone. A lot of this crew does not even look at the graphics, and that is fine.

To prevent huge numbers of errors due to the timeouts during this run I've cut down the number of WU's per day to 11.

That way those who are not looking at the graphics can be done with this mess quickly and go on to doing better things, like searching for gravitational waves.



Arrrg, you should still be able to grant credit for work done however - no ?

Nice of you to decrease the number of WU's per day however - only a few hours of wasted computer time.
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Message 3787 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 20:11:37 UTC - in response to Message 3784.
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[quote=Wormholio]Makes sense - I don't run screen saver - all installed as a service.


And you are not alone. A lot of this crew does not even look at the graphics, and that is fine.

I also have it installed as a service, but with the local system account work around, the graphics work. I left them on for over an hour. They eventually hung. Graphics, not screen saver (haven't checked that one yet btw).

I had to close the graphics window and reopen it to have them continue. Or at least, have the star field back. I'm at 40% and no text. Still only running Pirates, no changing between apps. I'm not running in EDF mode either.

(Having just posted it, the text reappears, of course. :-))
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Message 3788 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 20:51:48 UTC - in response to Message 3785.

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Unfortunately, the way I read this, people will be returning valid work after running for 5 hours and get zero credit.


Unfortunately, yes, that is so. But I am trying to take steps to reduce that.

* the maximum number of WU's per host is very low. Those not invoking graphics will hit this quickly and get out of the pool.

* I've just increased the number of allowed Results per WU to 10, with 7 errors allowed.

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Message 3789 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 20:53:10 UTC - in response to Message 3787.

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I also have it installed as a service, but with the local system account work around, the graphics work.


I am very interested to hear more about the local system account work-around.

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Message 3790 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 20:59:08 UTC - in response to Message 3789.

Exit Boinc Manager.

Open service.msc
Rightclick on BOINC, properties.
Log On tab.
Change from "This Account" to "Local System Account" and check the option "Allow service to interact with the desktop".
Click OK on the extra window popping up.
General tab.
Stop service.
Start service.

Now open BOINC Manager.
Presto, graphics work under the Tasks/Work tab.
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Message 3791 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 21:57:25 UTC
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Im to getting the error mentioned above. I have it installed as aservice with the destop interaction enabled. I also just noticed a different error on one of my comps: (faild d/l, error -224)

9/18/2006 12:56:21 PM|Pirates@Home|Started download of file treas120.parms__1158594547_260
9/18/2006 12:56:23 PM|Pirates@Home|Temporarily failed download of treas120.parms__1158594547_260: Error -224
9/18/2006 12:56:23 PM|Pirates@Home|Backing off 3 hours, 18 minutes and 53 seconds on download of file treas120.parms__1158594547_260

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Message 3792 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 22:36:31 UTC
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Regarding the GMT time displayed in the flying book's window, does it take the Daylight Saving Time into account?

In my case,
- I'm at MET/CET (Middle/Central Europe), which is GMT+1 +1 hour DST now = UTC+2,
- my system's time zone is set correctly,
- settings in the stdout say "Time Zone offset: 3600 (1.000000 hours)",
- in the prefs there is "Time Display [size=-2]Should the time shown by some screensavers be in Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)?[/size] no, use local time ",
- my local clock now is 0:32 (NTP),
- I assume the posting time will be around 22:35 UTC (confirmed, 22:36),
- scroll's window is telling me "it is 23:32 GMT now".

@Ageless: It is a nice effect, when the stars and later the text reappears, after restoring the graphics window after being few minutes minimized!!

And the application is checkpointing (here approx. each 8 minutes, Win BCC 5.5.16).

My normal switch between projects time is 30 minutes, it's been 35 minutes since scroll 5.05 started. It's still going.

Could it be that's because of the overestimated crunching time (days?) and short deadline (48 hours)?

BTW, Capt'n, looking at the plenty of user details in the results' stderr out section, this is a convenient way to find a match between anonymous hosts and their owners ;-)
Only small obstacle is that the User & Team IDs are 0.
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Message 3794 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 22:58:28 UTC

Found another strange behaviour - actually it could be a mere chance as well.

I wanted to watch the screensaver. Therefore I opened the graphic and watched. But 2 or 3 minutes later the graphic closed and the task was completed. At this point the workunit was just at 76%.
Another workunit showed the same behaviour. I opened the graphic at 71% progress and 2 - 3 minutes later, the workunit was completed.
Both graphics didn't show the text of the story and the stars took pretty long until they appeared (cpu: intel core duo e6300).
Nevertheless both workunits were reported without an error message.
Actually I don't think that the workunits were completed correctly. But maybe it was just mere chance... just wanted to mention it.
Maybe someone can reproduce it.
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Message 3796 - Posted: 18 Sep 2006 | 23:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 3794.

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Nevertheless both workunits were reported without an error message.
Actually I don't think that the workunits were completed correctly. But maybe it was just mere chance... just wanted to mention it.
Maybe someone can reproduce it.

This result's stderr output (from the same WU) looks very similar to your one, but failed. And both stderr outputs seem to be limited to some last xxx lines... and differ from majority of other outputs.
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Message 3797 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 0:04:36 UTC
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Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mine completed after 7 hours, success reported, 43.64 credit claimed.... but there were four errors from the others who downloaded this one, so "Too many error results".

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Mine completed after 7 hours, success reported, 43.64 credit claimed.... but there were four errors from the others who downloaded this one, so "Too many error results".

Arggg, I to have been deprived of me treasure.... No other mate choose to look upon the glitter of 317270 and thus 35 specks of gold have found their way to Davy Jones
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Mine completed after 7 hours, success reported, 43.64 credit claimed.... but there were four errors from the others who downloaded this one, so "Too many error results".

This single result would more than double my current cobbles'count in the treasure box :-)

I'm looking forward for the same. My WU is already in the same "Too many error results" final state, and I'm reading at 29.4% of the book (chapter 7?).

How does it usually go? [size=-1]"Will I ever get a credit for it? Should I desperately keep or may I abort immediately?, Oh, I panic!!!"[/size] :-D
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I have two wu's with graphics initialized.
One is on a P4 HT 3.2GHz on XP, has accumulated 6:37 runtime and says it's 117% percent done. Well the graphics says that; Boinc manager says it's 15% done. I've suspended it for now to get out of EDF and let other things run. Any way to tell if it's stuck or will actually end naturally at some point?


The other is on a 1.something GHz laptop on XP, has been running 8 1/2 hours and reports .12% done. I will suspend it also and have the same question.

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Message 3804 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 1:30:08 UTC

Mine crashed after 4h 54m with 19/09/2006 00:06:44|Pirates@Home|Unrecoverable error for result wu_1158594547_211_2 ( - exit code -129 (0xffffff7f))

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Message 3805 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 2:03:38 UTC

hi

i completed one but no gold too many errors that unit set at 3 still now i have another unit initialized but that one already has 7 errors so i wonder if it is worth putting 8 hours into it ? maybe the ship has sailed
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Message 3806 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 2:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 3805.

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i completed one but no gold too many errors that unit set at 3 still now i have another unit initialized but that one already has 7 errors so i wonder if it is worth putting 8 hours into it ? maybe the ship has sailed


I have increased the number of Results per Workunit to 9 out of 11, and decreased the number of Results per machine per day to 8. If the machines that are not running graphics all reach the limit then the others may have a better chance of getting credit.

As BOINC applications go, this is a very strange one. I'll try to elaborate on that point further later on.

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Message 3807 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 2:13:03 UTC

I'm sorry, I missed the whole party. :-(

But here's my BOINC log.

Cool thing with the attachments, btw. ;-)
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well i aborted as the 8th error came in we will see when i get another i do not have graphics on i have to watch for them and view graphics
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Message 3812 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 4:12:16 UTC

I am set up as a service and I never look at the graphics. All the WU's I have had to day errored out around 880-890 seconds. Awaste of CPU time? Mabey! If this is for research into how to construct an experiment then it could be worthwhile. If it is just to play with BOINC, then it is a waste.
It's not eating up too much from my CPU time so I will continue to allow WU's until it affects other experiments.
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Message 3815 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 4:50:25 UTC - in response to Message 3806.

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Stanley A Bourdon wrote:
i completed one but no gold too many errors that unit set at 3 still now i have another unit initialized but that one already has 7 errors so i wonder if it is worth putting 8 hours into it ? maybe the ship has sailed


I have increased the number of Results per Workunit to 9 out of 11, and decreased the number of Results per machine per day to 8. If the machines that are not running graphics all reach the limit then the others may have a better chance of getting credit.

As BOINC applications go, this is a very strange one. I'll try to elaborate on that point further later on.

How long do we need to run the graphics? Or is just looking at them for a few seconds enough?
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Message 3818 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 5:07:11 UTC

I have the same time error (tz is correct). Computer/software details (Win2k):
09/18/2006 09:09:25 PM||Starting BOINC client version 5.2.13 for windows_intelx86
09/18/2006 09:09:25 PM||libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8 zlib/1.2.3
09/18/2006 09:09:25 PM||Data directory: C:\Program Files\BOINC
09/18/2006 09:09:31 PM||Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.00GHz
09/18/2006 09:09:31 PM||Memory: 766.98 MB physical, 1.08 GB virtual

I did open the screensaver and noticed that the info at the top (time on left, user info on right) is squished. Also, when you increase the size of the box the ss comes up in, the performance of the screensaver decreases, i.e. scroll gets slower, updates erratically. If you go full screen, it hangs and updates sporadically at best.

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Message 3819 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 5:41:14 UTC

I also have had four WU's terminate with error 129. Have stop accepting task until fix is found. I have started the graphics on the fifth one to see if this works. Totally unacceptable if true
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Message 3820 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 5:51:13 UTC - in response to Message 3819.

Hmm, I found something interesting. By keeping the graphics open, not minimized to the task tray, on windows, it keeps updating. Didn't know I had to open the graphics till I read it on here. Hopefully this WU will finish and I can get some gold. :-)

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Message 3822 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 6:08:40 UTC - in response to Message 3815.

How long do we need to run the graphics? Or is just looking at them for a few seconds enough?


i only looked at the one of mine that completed a couple of times than closed it although graphics were running at the completion of the unit.
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Message 3823 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 6:12:17 UTC

For anyone who gets no credits because of "Too many error results": Join the Good gold for good work thread!
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Message 3824 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 6:16:37 UTC - in response to Message 3806.

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I have increased the number of Results per Workunit to 9 out of 11, and decreased the number of Results per machine per day to 8. If the machines that are not running graphics all reach the limit then the others may have a better chance of getting credit.



looking at the result page it still says total errors 7

max # of error/total/success results 7, 11, 11
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Message 3825 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 6:35:08 UTC
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Is it possible to increase the scoll-Speed in the graphics?

In an older version I would say it was. But I forgot the shortcut.

EDIT: AHH, STRG+Curser UP oder DOWN. It increase to Speed 11.00. Is it maximum speed?
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Message 3831 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 9:00:58 UTC

I had 13 WU to crunch, but unfortunately it was when I was home (I live in Italy) and I hadn't access to my crunching pc at work, so all aborted with error -129.

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Message 3832 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 9:21:00 UTC - in response to Message 3825.

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Is it possible to increase the scoll-Speed in the graphics?

In an older version I would say it was. But I forgot the shortcut.

EDIT: AHH, STRG+Curser UP oder DOWN. It increase to Speed 11.00. Is it maximum speed?


Think so, set scroll-speed to 11.00, wu crunched successful in 1667sec and claimed 5.25 credits -> Result ID
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Message 3833 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 9:49:52 UTC

Well, that the way I`m doing now. Running round about 30 minutes per WU is okay. But my lame pc will only claimed 2.6 credits.
It is not much time that will be wasted, when no credits will be granted.
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Message 3834 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 9:52:17 UTC

Also agree that the text is abit hard to read with the font and angle of the test. Ex. A's kinda look like O's and such. Also notice when I select the screen saver from the client, It does come up at first without the text at all. Then 5 or so seconds later the text zooms from the back to the front and starts scrolling where it left off. Not sure if its supposed to do that or not. Text scrolls rather slow too, Would be nice to have the ability to speed or slow it up easily with using the up and down arrows only perhaps ? Or even the ability to be able to change the angle of the text yourself too ? JMO :)
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Message 3839 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 11:41:42 UTC

My result was running till the end with opened graphics window and minimized. After it was completed (or incidentally just a second or two prior/after the finish?) I opened the minimized graphics window and saw the progress claiming to be a bit over 146% or 156% (forgot the exact number). After very few seconds the window disappeared. I'm pretty sure BoincView was already claiming that Pirates project is trying to upload the result, when I opened the graphics window.

IIRC (during the first two hours of good-but-slow reading) the percentages were fairly similar in graphics window and in BoincView.
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Message 3840 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 12:07:09 UTC

Ahoy Mates,
Am able to get this new app to work well.One worry is GMT therefore
one hour off.Ran 1st w/u kept running and once I watched the visuals
the % tab went to where it should be.Wormholio, there are many posts here to read, and hope I got this running well for you,Hey Trog Dog,
noticed {I think} you are running that O.S. we discussed a few weeks back, at least the Kernel is the same?
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Message 3842 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 12:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 3834.

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Also notice when I select the screen saver from the client, It does come up at first without the text at all. Then 5 or so seconds later the text zooms from the back to the front and starts scrolling where it left off. Not sure if its supposed to do that or not.


I don't know if one can say "supposed to do" for this app, but what you describe is not surprising when you look under the hood.

First of all, let me mention that I put this app back in service after a year and a half. I have been slowly updating some of my old apps so they work with the latest BOINC, updating the notes to go with them, and putting the code into CVS so that others can easily get at it. The idea is to make it easier for others who wish to write BOINC apps to use these as examples. I decided to update this app for Talk Like a Pirate Day.

So I used the existing version of the code, with only some minor changes to make sure it ran right, but no major overhaul. And I was surised to be reminded that this one is a strange bird.

Also, keep in mind that we've not tried this app out since there was a change in BOINC which made the graphics thread the main program, with computation in a separate thread. It was previously the other way around, but needed to be switched for BONIC to work on Macs. I don't know if that matters here or not.

The graphics simply scrolls upward, redrawing whatever it has in a text buffer. When it needs more text it does not read it from the file, it sets a flag saying it needs more text. The actual file reading is done in the computation thread. The computation thread reads one line, then goes back to doing work, so it may not satisfy all the needs of the graphics thread (at least not right away).

So what seems to be happening is that the computation thread can get behind. That may be because it is stoped while another project is being run, or because BOINC is suspended due to user activity. In any case, it seems that the graphics keeps on running, but doesn't have the full text it needs. If you see the text far away but then it fills in coming toward you, that is the computation thread reading in lines of text to catch up. (On one of my old and slow boxes used for testing it never catches up unless I slow the scroll rate.)

You can see a bit more of of what's going on if you pop open a graphics window from the BOINC manager, and then hold down both shift and control. Some of the debugging output and markers are then shown, including an indicator whenever the graphics thread is asking the computation thread for another line of text.

(Earlier versions of BOINC let you do this in the screensaver, but alas that feature had to be removed from the Client to fix a possible problem on some Windows platforms. Perhaps it will be possible to bring it back some day.)

I'm not sure what to make of all this yet, but it seems that when a BOINC app is suspended it only suspends the computation thread, not the graphics. And for most apps that may be correct -- so that the user can view the screensaver graphics in any case. Here, however, the two are tied together in an unusual way and that causes some strange behaviour.

Thanks to all who provide feedback and who have put up with such a strange app for a silly holiday. Yarr!
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Message 3844 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 12:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 3842.

Thanks to all who provide feedback and who have put up with such a strange app for a silly holiday. Yarr!

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Message 3845 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 12:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 3792.

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Regarding the GMT time displayed in the flying book's window, does it take the Daylight Saving Time into account?

It seems that it does not. And it seems that the app does not care about your pirate preferences, it just (tries to) convert local time to GMT. I will see if this is easy to change...
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Message 3847 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 12:52:02 UTC - in response to Message 3845.

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Pepo wrote:
Regarding the GMT time displayed in the flying book's window, does it take the Daylight Saving Time into account?

It seems that it does not. And it seems that the app does not care about your pirate preferences, it just (tries to) convert local time to GMT. I will see if this is easy to change...


So far it's running fine on my PC Cap'n. I too noticed GMT being off (8:50 Eastern while the screensaver displays 7:50 GMT).


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Message 3850 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 13:07:01 UTC

I've unchecked GMT in my preferences, reset the project, got a result and it says it's running at 14:05 GMT. Local time is 1 hour ahead of British Summer Time, 2 hours ahead of GMT/UTC.

But since GMT doesn't do DST, I feel it's just a "programmer's error", as the GMT part is the only thing the program knows about. ;-)
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If the Cap'n is still following this long arse read, there be more bugs a flyin about in that there app.

With the graphics opened then closed (time or amount seem meaningless) it just keeps running and running and running. Thought I'd have to put the Energizer bunny on the gang plank there.

Had a few results still running this moring, showing up to 149% complete. Wasn't till I re-opened the graphic window that they finished and uploaded. Over 10 hours on four seperate results on three computers.

Good luck trackin' that loot.

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Them scurvy bugs just keep flying at me. Left the movin picture windows open but minimized and it stopped updatin the completion rate again. I were gonna leave the window up on my current results to test the > 100% thingy and it's just not playing nice. Guess I leave the windows visible and hope for the best.

You'll be gettin them replys from me later this evenin. Damn taskmaster making work on such an auspicious holiday.

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Message 3854 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 14:21:28 UTC

i got another error, have the WUs been recalled?

9/19/2006 7:15:18 AM|Pirates@Home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
9/19/2006 7:15:18 AM|Pirates@Home|Requesting 1 seconds of new work, and reporting 2 completed tasks
9/19/2006 7:15:23 AM|Pirates@Home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 503]
9/19/2006 7:15:26 AM|Pirates@Home|Started download of file treas120.parms__1158670191_12
9/19/2006 7:15:27 AM|Pirates@Home|Temporarily failed download of treas120.parms__1158670191_12: HTTP file not found
9/19/2006 7:15:27 AM|Pirates@Home|Giving up on download of treas120.parms__1158670191_12: file was not found on server
9/19/2006 7:15:27 AM|Pirates@Home|Checksum or signature error for treas120.parms__1158670191_12
9/19/2006 7:15:28 AM|Pirates@Home|Unrecoverable error for result wu_1158670191_13_6 (WU download error: couldn't get input files: treas120.parms__1158670191_12 -163 file was not found on server)
9/19/2006 7:15:28 AM|Pirates@Home|Deferring scheduler requests for 1 minutes and 0 seconds

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i got another error, have the WUs been recalled?


Not sure about that file, but another had somehow gone missing and was causing failures. I've restored it and restarted from a fresh example WU. And I've set the quorum to 1.

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Message 3857 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 14:31:40 UTC - in response to Message 3832.

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svenni96 wrote:
Is it possible to increase the scoll-Speed in the graphics?

In an older version I would say it was. But I forgot the shortcut.

EDIT: AHH, STRG+Curser UP oder DOWN. It increase to Speed 11.00. Is it maximum speed?


Think so, set scroll-speed to 11.00, wu crunched successful in 1667sec and claimed 5.25 credits -> Result ID
It speeds even more up when you set that speed to 11 and then use CTRL+ left or right to make the text stand up on the side, be moved off into the distance.

Alright Eric, it finally preempted for me. Seems like checkpointing works now.
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Message 3858 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 14:53:23 UTC

Ahoy,
Wont not have to walk Gang Plank , those scury dogs, as I sit here
chewin on a Lemon Captain .There are no Holidays for us ship mates, but,
have a w/u 50% done at 3 hours, all seeems well Maties,

Arr Great Holidays
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Message 3859 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 14:57:04 UTC

Why is the calculation faster with textscroll speed=11? Iam confused???
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Message 3860 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 14:59:03 UTC

I have just finished this little beauty after a little less than 5 hours, where the graphic was open all the time and my screensaver was set to BOINC.

http://pirates.spy-hill.net/workunit.php?wuid=317658

And now I can't report it,

9/19/2006 4:47:50 PM|Pirates@Home|Project is down


So you better kick that server, Cap'n.

And I want gold for it, Cap'n! Lots of gold and shiny finery to decorate me account with.



Arrrr...


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Message 3861 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 15:00:20 UTC

W/U finished with the following stats :( W/U Result ID 726570, Success Done 16,091.72 44.10 7.12), Unfortunetly for me, Hans also finished it with his Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 270, Which knocked the credit on mine from 44, Down to 7 hehe. Is there no justice for a mate and his little 3000+ ! hehe In the W/U Results Stats, There was a multitude of the following type of comments listed : GFX: getting way behind. y_bottom= -123.380020
and Eventually towards the bottom of them listed :
Found EOF Marker. Signaling we are done. GFX: all done.
y= -413.689888 worker: CPU time: 16091.375000 seconds, Wall clock time: 18238.953125 seconds worker: all done.
And then several :GFX: all done. y= -413.758070 Till the End. I copied it to Txt. if needed.

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Message 3867 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 16:25:34 UTC

All of my WU's have failed with errors. This is on several different Windows XP machines.

http://pirates.spy-hill.net/results.php?userid=4719

18 failures. 3 still in progress.

I have graphics disabled as these are business machines with BOINC running full time in background. Screensaver is blank to maximize boinc processing.

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Message 3871 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 18:52:06 UTC
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Arrr,
Give me some Grog or Mead, or better get the Good RUM we plundered from our last booty,Cause this
w/u is over 100% still going over 6 hours, should I make it walk the Gang Plank or letter run?Boinc uploaded a new w/u while I was out.Made the prisoner Read the Posts, and He said that is the screensaver, and if he aint pulling on my one Good leg, he will walk the plank.Yes, should I let the w/u keep runnig?

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Message 3872 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 19:21:24 UTC

Results for user


CPU time (sec) claimed credit granted credit
726888 317695 19 Sep 2006 9:13:52 UTC 19 Sep 2006 9:30:04 UTC Over Client error Computing 887.63 1.05 ---
726856 317907 19 Sep 2006 8:57:40 UTC 19 Sep 2006 9:13:52 UTC Over Client error Computing 887.73 1.05 ---
726821 317819 19 Sep 2006 8:41:28 UTC 19 Sep 2006 8:57:40 UTC Over Client error Computing 887.45 1.05 ---
726796 317852 19 Sep 2006 8:25:08 UTC 19 Sep 2006 8:41:28 UTC Over Client error Computing 885.48 1.05 ---
723481 317499 18 Sep 2006 18:12:09 UTC 18 Sep 2006 18:13:22 UTC Over Client error Downloading 0.00 0.00 ---
723325 317412 18 Sep 2006 17:53:22 UTC 18 Sep 2006 18:09:54 UTC Over Client error Computing 133.56 0.16 ---
723167 317464 18 Sep 2006 17:35:16 UTC 18 Sep 2006 17:52:11 UTC Over Client error Computing 156.21 0.18 ---
723017 317397 18 Sep 2006 17:16:42 UTC 18 Sep 2006 17:33:05 UTC Over Client error Computing 790.28 0.93 ---
722741 317329 18 Sep 2006 16:44:00 UTC 18 Sep 2006 17:00:18 UTC Over Client error Computing 875.26 1.03 ---
722608 317330 18 Sep 2006 16:27:30 UTC 18 Sep 2006 16:44:00 UTC Over Client error Computing 802.92 0.95 ---
722425 317285 18 Sep 2006 16:07:34 UTC 18 Sep 2006 16:24:04 UTC Over Client error Computing 706.98 0.84 ---
722152 317270 18 Sep 2006 15:35:13 UTC 18 Sep 2006 15:59:03 UTC Over Client error Computing 671.13 0.79 ---

ARRGH

ARRGH me harties, couldn't reach "Show Graphics" from work and never normally run BOINC as a screensaver. What a shame - this would nearly have doubled my hoard of gold!

Now I've reached my daily limit.

Should I leave Pirates to accept new work or disable???????

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Message 3873 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 19:36:06 UTC

ARRR!...Success on my first Scroll 5.05 workunit...Second workunit has just set sail...Hope to be bringing it into port early tomorrow.
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Message 3874 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 19:53:13 UTC
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Now I'm collecting a series of bad downloads:

9/19/2006 3:49:42 PM|Pirates@Home|Started download of file treas120.parms__1158688359_48
9/19/2006 3:49:43 PM|Pirates@Home|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for treas120.parms__1158688359_48 - truncating
9/19/2006 3:49:43 PM|Pirates@Home|Temporarily failed download of treas120.parms__1158688359_48: HTTP file not found
9/19/2006 3:49:43 PM|Pirates@Home|Giving up on download of treas120.parms__1158688359_48: file was not found on server
9/19/2006 3:49:43 PM|Pirates@Home|Checksum or signature error for treas120.parms__1158688359_48
9/19/2006 3:49:44 PM|Pirates@Home|Unrecoverable error for result wu_1158688359_49_4 (WU download error: couldn't get input files: treas120.parms__1158688359_48 -163 file was not found on server)


Four download errors and that's the quota for the day...

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Message 3875 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 19:55:36 UTC - in response to Message 3874.



I'm getting the same
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Message 3876 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 19:57:28 UTC

Diddo for me...


Arrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!

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Message 3879 - Posted: 19 Sep 2006 | 20:03:14 UTC
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I found an easy way to set scroll speed for those unsure of how to do it. Just use the CNTL and up arrow key to increase scroll speed (and also speed up the WU) and the CNTL with the down arrow to slow it down.


{edit} Ah, I see it was mentioned already. It works though!

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Message 3909 - Posted: 20 Sep 2006 | 2:54:26 UTC

so if you can manage to get the speed to zero the wu will continue forever?
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Message 3910 - Posted: 20 Sep 2006 | 3:38:57 UTC
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Just uploaded the second of my two 5.05's...got some credit for the first one...The second one scored a big fat zero even though it appeared to complete successfully...Arrrr...such is the life of a pirate...Sometimes the treasure chest is full of gold...and sometimes it's full of moldy air.
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Message 3911 - Posted: 20 Sep 2006 | 4:04:53 UTC

Arrr...Had one fail today. I have this on my laptop which tags along w/me during the day. Downloaded wu last night and ran it with the screensaver until had to leave this morning and shut down the laptop:
09/19/2006 12:45:03 AM|Pirates@Home|Sending scheduler request to http://pirates.spy-hill.net/cgi-bin/scheduler
09/19/2006 12:45:03 AM|Pirates@Home|Reason: Requested by user
09/19/2006 12:45:03 AM|Pirates@Home|Requesting 8640 seconds of new work
09/19/2006 12:45:13 AM|Pirates@Home|Scheduler request to http://pirates.spy-hill.net/cgi-bin/scheduler succeeded
09/19/2006 12:45:15 AM|Pirates@Home|Started download of scroll_5.05_windows_intelx86.exe
09/19/2006 12:45:15 AM|Pirates@Home|Started download of treas120.parms__1158630720_158
09/19/2006 12:45:18 AM|Pirates@Home|Finished download of treas120.parms__1158630720_158
09/19/2006 12:45:18 AM|Pirates@Home|Throughput 2 bytes/sec
09/19/2006 12:45:18 AM|Pirates@Home|Started download of 120.txt
09/19/2006 12:45:23 AM|Pirates@Home|Finished download of 120.txt
09/19/2006 12:45:23 AM|Pirates@Home|Throughput 120664 bytes/sec
09/19/2006 12:45:35 AM|Pirates@Home|Finished download of scroll_5.05_windows_intelx86.exe
09/19/2006 12:45:35 AM|Pirates@Home|Throughput 40788 bytes/sec
09/19/2006 12:45:36 AM||request_reschedule_cpus: files downloaded
09/19/2006 12:45:36 AM|Pirates@Home|Starting result wu_1158630720_159_8 using scroll version 505
09/19/2006 01:45:36 AM|Pirates@Home|Pausing result wu_1158630720_159_8 (left in memory)


Ran again this afternoon but missed the opportunity to open the screen saver and it errored out as follows:
09/19/2006 03:14:14 PM|Pirates@Home|Restarting result wu_1158630720_159_8 using scroll version 505
09/19/2006 03:29:18 PM|Pirates@Home|Unrecoverable error for result wu_1158630720_159_8 ( - exit code -129 (0xffffff7f))
09/19/2006 03:29:18 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: process exited
09/19/2006 03:29:18 PM|Pirates@Home|Computation for result wu_1158630720_159_8 finished

Seems maybe you have to open the screen saver again once it restarts for it to finish correctly.


The laptop is on a Win2k system as follows:
09/19/2006 09:15:45 AM||Starting BOINC client version 5.2.13 for windows_intelx86
09/19/2006 09:15:45 AM||libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8 zlib/1.2.3
09/19/2006 09:15:45 AM||Data directory: C:\Program Files\BOINC
09/19/2006 09:15:47 AM||Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.00GHz
09/19/2006 09:15:47 AM||Memory: 766.98 MB physical, 1.08 GB virtual
09/19/2006 09:15:47 AM||Disk: 9.76 GB total, 2.02 GB free

Hope this helps Capt'n!

Bummer we don't get good ol' gold for this...
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