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Message 2427 - Posted: 20 Jan 2006 | 12:35:18 UTC

So it seems that this Wish List is the best place to discuss changes or additions to the forums. Some have already posted some good suggestions.

There is already a re-write going on, and I don't know yet how that's going, but I will report what I find when I can. It may well be that we will test the new code here, but I don't know yet.

Meanwhile, I'm open to more suggestions, though I don't expect to actually see many changes soon. We start just by making a list and setting priorities.

I'll tell you though the two things that I'd like to see soon. The forums are going to become 'discussion rooms' on the other project, where high school students and their teachers will work through science labs. So to make the discussion more like a log book I intend to take away the option of displaying posts youngest to oldest. A logbook (even a ships log, aargh!) always runs from oldest to youngest. There is a forum option now to warp you to the next new entry. Perhaps that should always be on?

That would only be for threads. Within the 'rooms' you could still list newest first. Should it be any other way?

The other feature that would be useful for a logbook would be the ability to attach images, such as graphs, to an entry. Like uploading your profile image or avatar, you would specify the image file on your local machine and it would be uploaded to the server, and it would create a thumbnail to insert into the post. But how would it be displayed? How would it be refered to in the text? What if there are several such "attachments"?

And finally, I'm wondering if we should not turn off image display in signatures? I know some are very fond of their scoreboards, but maybe those move to the profile text? We may try that here, though I'm sure that would make the crew very restless. Arrgh.

These are just ideas to think about. When you do, try to think about it from the view of a high school teacher or student doing a project, not as a pirate or cruncher. Thanks.

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Message 2493 - Posted: 21 Jan 2006 | 20:42:10 UTC - in response to Message 2427.

I'm wondering if we should not turn off image display in signatures? I know some are very fond of their scoreboards, but maybe those move to the profile text? We may try that here, though I'm sure that would make the crew very restless. Arrgh.

Since this is easy to do, may as well go to the top of the list. This shouldn't make us anymore restless than we arrr already.
Many have chosen not to display images for various reasons anyway.
Maybe you can show thumbnails of attachments in the sig section, or in a table at the top of the page. Or both.
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Message 2507 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 2:08:14 UTC - in response to Message 2493.


Maybe you can show thumbnails of attachments in the sig section, or in a table at the top of the page. Or both.


THat is one reason I thought of disabling images in signatures -- because there would also be thumbnails of attached images down there.

Now I'm thinking that the thumbnails (clickable to open the image) would to to the right side, but I still like the idea of cleaning up the signatures, so I think we will try it at some point, when I can code the conversion.

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Message 2511 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 2:22:14 UTC

Show images as links... ;)
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Message 2523 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 16:14:10 UTC

To be honest I don't see the point in turning off image dsplay in sigs, that option is alrady built into the forums for people who don't want to see them.
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Message 2525 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 17:05:35 UTC - in response to Message 2523.

To be honest I don't see the point in turning off image dsplay in sigs, that option is alrady built into the forums for people who don't want to see them.
In the context of an academic message board, it might prove to be a Good Thing. Alternately, if it's an internal board, having the graphics be loaded to the server (like the avatar pics here now), possibly the ability to require approval before display or linking, might be desireable.

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Message 2530 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 18:25:37 UTC - in response to Message 2523.

To be honest I don't see the point in turning off image dsplay in sigs, that option is alrady built into the forums for people who don't want to see them.


Right now you have the option of turning off signatures completely. I'm proposing the intermediate step of not allowing graphic images in signatures. They would only be short text.

Part of the motivation is that if we have attachments (figures and graphs, as in a lab book) then it starts to get very busy, and confusing (though I'm thinking of putting the attachment thumbnails on the right edge), and perhaps slow to load.

And then there are social considerations which might cause one to want to disable all images. Perhaps as an option for each forum room, set by the 'owner' of the room (who is like a forum moderator, but limited to a particular forum).


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Message 2531 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 18:34:50 UTC - in response to Message 2525.

In the context of an academic message board, it might prove to be a Good Thing.


That is another good reason. Then we have to think about how it is managed without undue burden on the people who administer the whole site. Just don't allow any? Or have a forum moderator (the teacher?) who can control the settings on a per-room basis? We need something that scales well.

Alternately, if it's an internal board, having the graphics be loaded to the server (like the avatar pics here now), possibly the ability to require approval before display or linking, might be desireable.


This might be a compromise. But who reviews it?

Right now profiles are reviewed and approved by the site manager (me), and won't be chosen as user of the day unless approved (right, Misfit!). For a slowly growing BOINC project that seems to work okay. But now put this in a classroom setting where a huge number of new students join the site at the begining of a semester, and some rowdy subset of them decides to put inappropriate material in their sig or profile. Central review of the material would be a burden, and besides, who decides what is appropriate? So we may need to find a way (I have some ideas) to distribute the review role to a subset of participants (such as the teachers).


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Message 2532 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 19:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 2530.

To be honest I don't see the point in turning off image dsplay in sigs, that option is alrady built into the forums for people who don't want to see them.

Right now you have the option of turning off signatures completely. I'm proposing the intermediate step of not allowing graphic images in signatures. They would only be short text.

The option to show images as links also effects signatures.
Right now profiles are reviewed and approved by the site manager (me), and won't be chosen as user of the day unless approved (right, Misfit!).

Can't we all just get along? ;)
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Message 2533 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 20:00:15 UTC

Since this would be used in a classroom environment, the ability for the forum moderator to add flagged "announcement" posts in addition to flagged "sticky" posts.

While they both act in the same manner as far as behavior, they are two different types of posts. Having both would allow the moderator to post FAQ's and general information as stickys at the top of the forum as well as post short term announcments that attract attention for other items of importance to the class.


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Message 2534 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 22:08:28 UTC - in response to Message 2533.

Since this would be used in a classroom environment, the ability for the forum moderator to add flagged "announcement" posts in addition to flagged "sticky" posts.


I guess I don't yet know how 'sticky' posts (threads actually, right) behave.

In addition to forum discussions we will also be using a wiki for FAQ kinds of things, but it might be useful to have some kind of announcement or status at the top of each thread. Though maybe people will get so used to it they won't look at it?

So what exactly does sticky do?


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Message 2535 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 22:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 2534.


So what exactly does sticky do?


all a sticky does is keep a particular topic stuck to the top of a message board
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Message 2537 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 22:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 2534.

I guess I don't yet know how 'sticky' posts (threads actually, right) behave.

So what exactly does sticky do?



As mentioned, it keeps the thread stuck to the top of a particular forum index page. Announcements do the exact same thing but can be used differently and with both types, allow for more flexiblilty for the moderator to highlight a thread for short term items such as "Read this for the test" to be flagged as an announcement while allowing longer term threads like "Interesting Reading Material" to be flagged as a sticky. Both would be highlighted at the top of the forum topic list but different icons would be used to identify them.

I've just found from running a board on another site, that has both, that stickies tend to be ignored after awhile unless you need the information contained in the thread while announcements do get read.

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Message 2538 - Posted: 22 Jan 2006 | 23:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 2531.

Right now profiles are reviewed and approved by the site manager (me), and won't be chosen as user of the day unless approved (right, Misfit!). For a slowly growing BOINC project that seems to work okay. But now put this in a classroom setting where a huge number of new students join the site at the begining of a semester, and some rowdy subset of them decides to put inappropriate material in their sig or profile. Central review of the material would be a burden, and besides, who decides what is appropriate? So we may need to find a way (I have some ideas) to distribute the review role to a subset of participants (such as the teachers).


I thought the profiles had a facility where if a user feels the profile is offensive they can click on a link to flag it to some admin person to take a look at surely that would be the best and let the users decide what is and is not offensive
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Message 2611 - Posted: 26 Jan 2006 | 2:54:48 UTC
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How about giving back the option to sort newest posts first?

Right now I feel as if this ship is listing full over on its side...
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Message 2673 - Posted: 29 Jan 2006 | 16:30:01 UTC - in response to Message 2611.

How about giving back the option to sort newest posts first?


I wanted to try it out with just listing from oldest to newest.

The reason is that this is how a scientific logbook is organized (or indeed a ship's log). I would like students to get used to viewing the log that way.

There is a forum preference that will take you right to the first *new* post, but then you read them in the proper order.

It's a test, as is everything here, and maybe there is a better way to accomplish the goal?


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Message 2768 - Posted: 3 Feb 2006 | 23:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 2673.

One more thing I think might be useful.

Since there might be a possibility to add extra attachment to posts, some longer threads might take a lot of time to load onto browser.

It would be better to split threads into pages (for example 20 posts on each page, maybe with an option in users preferences to set diffrent amount).
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Message 2775 - Posted: 4 Feb 2006 | 1:26:07 UTC - in response to Message 2768.

One more thing I think might be useful.

Since there might be a possibility to add extra attachment to posts, some longer threads might take a lot of time to load onto browser.

It would be better to split threads into pages (for example 20 posts on each page, maybe with an option in users preferences to set diffrent amount).


This is a good point, though I find that the thing that slows thread loading the most is all the various signature images. If we allow uploading of attached images (graphs for lab reports, for example) we could have a thumbnail on the right side, and you'd have to open it to see it. The thumbnails would be on our server, and they would be relatively small, so they would load faster.

Still, forum listings by thread can be broken into pages, and maybe threads should be too. Thanks.

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Message 2785 - Posted: 4 Feb 2006 | 16:43:02 UTC - in response to Message 2775.
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One more thing I think might be useful.

Since there might be a possibility to add extra attachment to posts, some longer threads might take a lot of time to load onto browser. ...


...

Still, forum listings by thread can be broken into pages, and maybe threads should be too. Thanks.


Just in case you're not aware, the newer versions of the software being used by some of the other projects already does something sort of like this. Rather than multiple pages including all the older posts, it shows only the newer ones. The numbers are user adjustable for the number of posts to hit the trigger, and then the number that display if the trigger is met. The default numbers are to trigger for any thread with 100 or more posts and then display only the first post and the last 75. After the first post, it inserts a message like "Only the first post and the last 75 posts (of the 128 posts in this thread) are displayed. Click here to also display the remaining posts."

EDIT - On further thought, this might defeat your whole idea of wanting to keep things working like a journal, unless you wanted to consider this feature the equivalent of putting a paperclip on the first several pages of your journal.


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Message 2787 - Posted: 5 Feb 2006 | 14:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 2785.
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Just in case you're not aware, the newer versions of the software being used by some of the other projects already does something sort of like this. Rather than multiple pages including all the older posts, it shows only the newer ones. The numbers are user adjustable for the number of posts to hit the trigger, and then the number that display if the trigger is met. The default numbers are to trigger for any thread with 100 or more posts and then display only the first post and the last 75. After the first post, it inserts a message like "Only the first post and the last 75 posts (of the 128 posts in this thread) are displayed. Click here to also display the remaining posts."



I was not aware of this. Do you mean newer BOINC software on running current projects (not tests, like Janus's), or discussion forums on team sites (I just recently learned that they also have their own discussion forums). If it's newer code in BOINC we'll be trying it soon.

EDIT - On further thought, this might defeat your whole idea of wanting to keep things working like a journal, unless you wanted to consider this feature the equivalent of putting a paperclip on the first several pages of your journal


I think that is a fine feature, and I like the paperclip analogy. I don't even mind being able to show messages in a different order, as long as it's not the default. It might be that certain threads (with "LOGBOOK" in the title?) can only be displayed in time order, but others have other features. We have to find the right feature set that supports the mission.

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Message 2788 - Posted: 5 Feb 2006 | 14:25:33 UTC - in response to Message 2787.

Just in case you're not aware, the newer versions of the software being used by some of the other projects already does something sort of like this. Rather than multiple pages including all the older posts, it shows only the newer ones. The numbers are user adjustable for the number of posts to hit the trigger, and then the number that display if the trigger is met. The default numbers are to trigger for any thread with 100 or more posts and then display only the first post and the last 75. After the first post, it inserts a message like "Only the first post and the last 75 posts (of the 128 posts in this thread) are displayed. Click here to also display the remaining posts."



I was not aware of this. Do you mean newer BOINC software on running current projects (not tests, like Janus's), or discussion forums on team sites (I just recently learned that they also have their own discussion forums). If it's newer code in BOINC we'll be trying it soon.



Yep! Some of us have turned it off, but in this thread it's necessary. I don't remember what the default is, but I only see the last 500 posts.



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Message 2791 - Posted: 5 Feb 2006 | 15:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 2788.

Yep! Some of us have turned it off, but in this thread it's necessary. I don't remember what the default is, but I only see the last 500 posts.


:-)

So at SETI@Home the last post is a big thing. On slashdot it's the first post that's a big thing. To each his own. Thanks. :-)

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Message 2792 - Posted: 5 Feb 2006 | 16:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 2791.

Yep! Some of us have turned it off, but in this thread it's necessary. I don't remember what the default is, but I only see the last 500 posts.


:-)

So at SETI@Home the last post is a big thing. On slashdot it's the first post that's a big thing. To each his own. Thanks. :-)


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So yes, to each his own... ;-)


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Message 2793 - Posted: 5 Feb 2006 | 18:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 2787.
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Just in case you're not aware, the newer versions of the software being used by some of the other projects already does something sort of like this. Rather than multiple pages including all the older posts, it shows only the newer ones. The numbers are user adjustable for the number of posts to hit the trigger, and then the number that display if the trigger is met. The default numbers are to trigger for any thread with 100 or more posts and then display only the first post and the last 75. After the first post, it inserts a message like "Only the first post and the last 75 posts (of the 128 posts in this thread) are displayed. Click here to also display the remaining posts."



I was not aware of this. Do you mean newer BOINC software on running current projects (not tests, like Janus's), or discussion forums on team sites (I just recently learned that they also have their own discussion forums). If it's newer code in BOINC we'll be trying it soon.


This has been in the code for some time. However Janus has removed some bugs so his test project does this much better than any of the live projects.
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Message 2794 - Posted: 6 Feb 2006 | 12:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 2793.


This has been in the code for some time. However Janus has removed some bugs so his test project does this much better than any of the live projects.


So is it true that even though BOINC 5.2 is supposed to be the 'stable' branch, most projects are using 5.3 of some sort for production?


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Message 2796 - Posted: 6 Feb 2006 | 18:21:24 UTC - in response to Message 2794.


This has been in the code for some time. However Janus has removed some bugs so his test project does this much better than any of the live projects.


So is it true that even though BOINC 5.2 is supposed to be the 'stable' branch, most projects are using 5.3 of some sort for production?


I did not think that web code version was that clearly defined. I thought it was always just current CVS at the time of upgrade. I could easily be wrong though.

Also by 'some time' I mean back in the 4.xx versions somewhere. Come to think of it I probably meant 'made it actually work' where I said 'removed some bugs' previously. Sorry I was not very percise previously.
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Message 2798 - Posted: 7 Feb 2006 | 2:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 2794.

This has been in the code for some time. However Janus has removed some bugs so his test project does this much better than any of the live projects.

So is it true that even though BOINC 5.2 is supposed to be the 'stable' branch, most projects are using 5.3 of some sort for production?

with versions X.Y.Z the stable versions Y = even number. with dev versions Y = Odd number. At least that's whats been said on the SETI forum.
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Message 2799 - Posted: 7 Feb 2006 | 4:38:01 UTC - in response to Message 2798.
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with versions X.Y.Z the stable versions Y = even number. with dev versions Y = Odd number. At least that's whats been said on the SETI forum.

That's the numeration for the BOINC client that people have on their computers.
Then you have the BOINC Server version, which at presently is at 5.3 (as far as I know).

So you have the BOINC Client for PCs/Macs:
5.2.x = stable release client
5.3.x = unstable alpha client

And you have the BOINC Server version:
5.2 = old version
5.3 = new version

It's not that difficult. ;)
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Message 2800 - Posted: 7 Feb 2006 | 12:34:47 UTC - in response to Message 2798.

with versions X.Y.Z the stable versions Y = even number. with dev versions Y = Odd number. At least that's whats been said on the SETI forum.


Right, but what I'm wondering is if this is just theory, or reflects actual practice.

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Message 2801 - Posted: 7 Feb 2006 | 12:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 2799.

So you have the BOINC Client for PCs/Macs:
5.2.x = stable release client
5.3.x = unstable alpha client

And you have the BOINC Server version:
5.2 = old version
5.3 = new version

It's not that difficult. ;)


Well, I guess I missed the distinction between how the numbering was being used separately for the client and the server software. We will upgrade to 5.3 once I get the time to do it.

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Message 2838 - Posted: 13 Feb 2006 | 19:29:04 UTC

The top menu bar is a little messed up.

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Message 2872 - Posted: 21 Feb 2006 | 18:12:03 UTC

Forum change request:

Is it possible to change the code on the "reply to this post" code in such a
way that the quoted text is selected, so when people start typing that the
selected text is deleted?

I see more and more threads where people are replying to the post and not
even taking the couple of seconds to take out the bit of text they aren't
replying to. Especially in big posts, just repost everything with the post
above/below and add 1 word to 1 line of text. It's getting annoying.

But it's also the use of the reply to this post option on first posts after
the initial post that gets to be mis-used.
On the helpdesk forums one doesn't have this option, Maybe it needs to be
propagated.

Have all of the text selected so people need to use the cursor
keys/mouse to unselect the text.

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Is it possible to change the code on the "reply to this post" code in such a way that the quoted text is selected, so when people start typing that the selected text is deleted?...


This would certainly be useful, and I can think of a simple thing to try here (that is what we are here for): make the outer [ quote ] block actually
begin with [ OFF_quote ] or something similar, and the user has to actually change the tags to edit the quoting.

Anything between those unchanged tags is removed.

Maybe there is something better than "OFF_quote", like "EDIT_THIS_quote"?

Maybe every level of quote should be this way?

Then the poster would really have to edit the post just to quote things, and hopefully most would take the time to do it right.


Have all of the text selected so people need to use the cursor
keys/mouse to unselect the text.


This is hard to do, and varies between platforms. It is likely not possible without using JavaScript, which I try to avoid when possible. Starting a reply with a 'dead' quote would be fairly easy to implement, so we could try it.



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Message 2876 - Posted: 21 Feb 2006 | 19:16:21 UTC

Another feature request. I just managed to get my own tag over on Primegrid. Is it possible (or maybe I should ask: wanted?) to have custom tags?

As for the Quote request, an [Off_quote] tag would do the trick. But would it also (still) help against those landlubbers who quote using [/quote][/quote] tags? ;)
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Message 2882 - Posted: 21 Feb 2006 | 23:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 2876.


As for the Quote request, an [Off_quote] tag would do the trick. But would it also (still) help against those landlubbers who quote using
[/quote] tags? ;)[/quote]

I think the rule wiould be that when replying all the quote tags would be turned into [TRIM_THIS_quote]. Anything between a [TRIM_THIS_quote] and [/TRIM_THIS_quote] would be removed when posted, to force editing.

But somebody might just delete that first tag and skip the rest. Not to worry, we then also remove anything up to an unbalanced [/TRIM_THIS_quote]. You have to have the right balancing of quotes, and it will just be easier to trim the quoted material.

I'll wait to try this after we upgrade to the latest version of the forum code, to avoid having to merge the changes in twice.

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Message 3023 - Posted: 27 Feb 2006 | 21:19:19 UTC

My ideea: In "Last Post" column add link to thread with name where was last post wroten. ;)
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Message 3025 - Posted: 27 Feb 2006 | 21:25:20 UTC

Look at that. Team name and country of participant in the sidebar. Since when did that show up? I like it. :)
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Message 3026 - Posted: 27 Feb 2006 | 21:29:16 UTC
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Yeah! It's very cool ;) Nice change! I like it too.
Meaby can someone add near coutry name small flag?? ;)
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Message 3031 - Posted: 27 Feb 2006 | 23:44:54 UTC

Or create your own team to make your own custom tag.
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Message 3046 - Posted: 28 Feb 2006 | 20:29:07 UTC

I try to show my idee: How to improve Last Post Table

I thaink, that it's more comfortable and cool ;)

What rest mean about my suggestion??
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Message 3055 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 1:45:51 UTC - in response to Message 3046.

I try to show my idee: How to improve Last Post Table

I thaink, that it's more comfortable and cool ;)


I'm not sure I understand this proposal. You want to put the date/time of the most recent post in that column, instead of the time (interval) since the most recent post?

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Message 3059 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 3:47:45 UTC - in response to Message 3055.
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I'm not sure I understand this proposal. You want to put the date/time of the most recent post in that column, instead of the time (interval) since the most recent post?


I think more so than changing it to date/time instead of interval, he's recommending that the thread name be added to the column with the other data.

Earlier in this thread, Simek said:

Posted 27 Feb 2006 21:19:19 UTC
My ideea: In "Last Post" column add link to thread with name where was last post wroten. ;)


As it is, when you open, for example, Message boards | wish list, you can see how long it's been since the last post, but you still have to open that forum to see which thread that post was made to.

EDIT - I think he has in mind something maybe a little bit like http://www.ubuntuforums.org where the "last post" column shows the thread name, poster's name and elapsed time since that post.


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Message 3067 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 13:42:20 UTC - in response to Message 3059.

I think more so than changing it to date/time instead of interval, he's recommending that the thread name be added to the column with the other data.


Okay, it's worth a try. Do people like this, or is it too busy?

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Message 3068 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 14:13:05 UTC

Nice work Wormholio!
I like it ;)

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Message 3070 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 16:49:54 UTC

Now all we need is an active spelling checker, a PM (Private Messaging) option, a moneybox and a Buddy List. Plus active emoticons. Although, isn't changing to phpBB easier? ;)


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Message 3071 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 16:57:10 UTC

It think that phpBB isn't good solution. All BOINC project websites are in same unique PHP Engine. Adding to this engine phpBB isn't good idea. Message Board must be simply, easy and useful ;) phpBB have too much options and i think it's to much expand.
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Message 3072 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 17:02:05 UTC


Two other features on the phpBB's I find useful are the mark all threads in this forum read (which was mentioned awile ago) and having a new posts icon in the message board page for each forum (along with the last post data) to show there are new, unread posts there.

Keep up the good work.
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Message 3074 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 17:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 3067.

Do people like this, or is it too busy?


You can add me to the "I like it" list.


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Message 3075 - Posted: 1 Mar 2006 | 17:46:04 UTC

The new feature looks good to me.


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