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Message 846 - Posted: 10 Jan 2005 | 19:46:03 UTC

I've added some new forums to Pirates@Home, just to see how these will work out.

First, a place for team discussion and recruitment. I'll be posting there shortly, as I've just created a new team...

Next, a set of forums for discussions in languages other than English. I know that when I first proposed this it was suggested that it was not needed. Everybody could at least 'read' English. I don't like that argument, and the recent contributions of translated versions of the screensaver also suggested to me that we need to be able to reach people all over the world in any language, not just those who know English, or those who know more about computers than most people. It's got to be easy for anybody to donate their computer time regardless of such factors.

Each forum can have a title and a subtitle. I'm open to suggestions for both. If this works for Pirates then I'll ask for help setting up similar sections for Einstein@Home.

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Message 847 - Posted: 10 Jan 2005 | 20:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 846.

Does this mean Pirates will still be about, even after Einstein gets up and running?

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Message 852 - Posted: 11 Jan 2005 | 2:39:16 UTC - in response to Message 847.

The message boards here look great (better than the other projects *hehe). For end users it really is little things like forums, signatures, teams, stats etc that make people come back over and over again.

Great work.

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Message 882 - Posted: 14 Jan 2005 | 19:24:16 UTC

I personal like the idea of multilingual forum!

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Message 884 - Posted: 14 Jan 2005 | 20:05:33 UTC

I'm curious.... Which criteria did you follow to select the languages?

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Message 885 - Posted: 14 Jan 2005 | 20:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 884.

> I'm curious.... Which criteria did you follow to select the languages?
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> Thank you,
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> G

Perhap's on lookink YOUR choice of prefered language and ... thinking before acting ... ;-)

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Message 886 - Posted: 14 Jan 2005 | 20:20:39 UTC - in response to Message 885.

> > I'm curious.... Which criteria did you follow to select the languages?
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> > Thank you,
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> > G
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> Perhap's on lookink YOUR choice of prefered language and ... thinking before
> acting ... ;-)
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>

Ok, then if it's looking at the statistics of prefered language, could I take a look at those statistics?

If it's thinking before acting, which I guess means selecting the most used languages in the world, where's Chinese?

Thank you again,

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Message 889 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 0:27:37 UTC - in response to Message 884.

> I'm curious.... Which criteria did you follow to select the languages?
>
Maybe similar to Screensaver description translations.
This from Captain Jack:
I don't think we need a translation to every language there is, but only those actively used in the BOINC community. If there is an active user base then we well get volunteers for a translation for that group. And I will add a section to the World Community forums. Someone just needs to ask for it.
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Message 890 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 1:20:02 UTC - in response to Message 889.
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If it's thinking before acting, which I guess means selecting the most used languages in the world, where's Chinese?

Thank you again,

-1- thankyou to

-2- it should be an active group

KISS = keep it simple and stupid

so *my* piratic and shameless suggestion is:

the user returned the most work, should be honnored and allowed to wish/select the language used in future.

And this will be, without any doupt, the language so called swiss german.
(even the german nativ are not understanding it)

So that's a fair solving, isn't it?

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Message 891 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 1:21:39 UTC - in response to Message 882.
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:)

hi Basti ---
<A><B>hi ric ----- [Edit] -- 15 Jan 2005 1:36:43 UTC --- hello to my good friend ric - from Beautiful Switzerland ,
ric you beat my post by 2 Minuets ,
when are you going to visit Vancouver/Canada again _ :) _?? [/Edit]</B>[/url]

Basti wrote:
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> I personal like the idea of multilingual forum!
> Basti
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Bast ,i agree with you: --- I personal like the idea of multilingual forum!

<A><B> Because -- it would help many people from all around the world be come involved in distributing computing </B>[/url]

I think Eric has done a good thing here , by adding , multilingual forums.

Basti your English is very Good : --- as is ric - [one eye] from Switzerland , Sir Ulli , the Big Jens , from Germany
Liberto , from - Spain
Janus , from - Denmark
<A><B> ___ BTW ___ Basti : -- thank you very much for , joining _</B>[/url]<B>_ The Carl Team_</B>
Basti -- I have not yet had the chance to: - (even though - Jan 14/05) to wish happy new year
so here I go:
health _ happiness _ peace _ and _ prosperity _ in the , new Year , 2005
to Basti and your family
Best wishes and Regards to: ----- Basti


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Message 892 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 1:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 891.


>when are you going to visit Vancouver/Canada again _ :)

Hi Byron!

depending of sponsoring...

BTW, got this week a newspager called "Britisch Columbia", it cames 4 times a year, with really beatifull images and stories,

BC is 15 hours of flight away...

Have a goot time

friendly

ric

..And that for the language was of course a joke...




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Message 893 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 2:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 892.
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> Hi Byron!
> depending of sponsoring...
> BC is 15 hours of flight away...
> Have a goot time
> friendly
> ric
> ..And that for the language was of course a joke...
[snipped]
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thanks ric ... your the best!

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Message 894 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 2:45:03 UTC

> If it's thinking before acting, which I guess means selecting the most used
> languages in the world, where's Chinese?

Anything computerish is a pain to translate to Chinese unless you have English and Chinese Windows running side by side.

Perhaps from a new user's point of view (when moved to E@H) the forums may become a bit cluttered especially when more languages are added. My suggestion is to have a forum just titled HELP!! or something like that.

Good job.
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Message 896 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 3:10:03 UTC - in response to Message 894.

Well, it seems that nobody undestood my point here... What I would like to point out is that once you select some languages, unless you give good reasons why selecting those languages and not others, there's going to be someone who doesn't like it. Me, for instance.

I think that it's a much better idea to keep the forums in English... Hey, but it's just my opinion.

Have a good weekend.

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Message 897 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 3:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 896.

> Well, it seems that nobody undestood my point here...
> I think that it's a much better idea to keep the forums in English...
> Hey, but it's just my opinion.
>
Yes. Point understood. Wrestle with this myself. But forums are still English.
Most posts are English. All important posts English. Every human tries to conform. But we must not be forced.
Allow interest/diversion of World Community. It is good for us. (Just my opinion).

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Message 899 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 5:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 897.
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> Allow interest/diversion of World Community. It is good for us. (Just my
> opinion).
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Contact, you putted it out very well

For the non native spoken, most of them are able finaly to read and understand postings, but sitting in background without the courage to post.

Not all persons are having the luck, passing trough a school teaching foreign languages (english) or they are just not used with, *our* bad spelling is an obstacle always slowing down the will, to ask or give informations or more.

The social effect shouldn't be putted beside, in a corner, dedicated for "non-english", better written, "not-so-used-with-english" people, the obstacle of language is reduced or eliminated.
Outside of our countries and languages, we do have nearly the same questions and are seeking for informations and answers.

Not sure, but there is a number floading around, world wide, there are about 160 or more main languages, sub languages like dialects not included.


from this side (The World's Most Widely Spoken Languages) got those informations (1999):

1.Chinese* (937,132,000)
2.Spanish (332,000,000)
3.English (322,000,000)
4.Bengali (189,000,000)
5.Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000)
6.Arabic* (174,950,000)
7.Portuguese (170,000,000)
8.Russian (170,000,000)
9.Japanese (125,000,000)
10.German (98,000,000)
11.French* (79,572,000)

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Message 900 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 15:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 896.

> Well, it seems that nobody undestood my point here... What I would like to
> point out is that once you select some languages, unless you give good reasons
> why selecting those languages and not others, there's going to be someone who
> doesn't like it. Me, for instance.

Groucho,

As someone already suggested, I picked the languages for which translations
of the screensaver description have been made (or are in progress), and I
listed them in alphabetical order.

I see that your selected language is Catalan. We could also create a forum
for those who speak Catalan. Or do they all speak English as well?
The idea is to make the project accessible to everybody around the world.
(Einstein@Home is, after all, a part of the World Year of Physics).
But of course at this point it's just an experiment (as is all of Pirates@Home).

The criteria for creating another language forum should be discussed, but I'm thinking now that a request should come from at least 3 users, to insure that it will actually get uses. (If there are only 2 users who want to use another language they can do so via e-mail.)

Most of the discussion in the forums will still be in English, but I'm hoping that having a place for those who are not as comfortable with English, or who don't speak English at all, will attract more users to our project (getting us more compute cycles to apply toward finding gravity waves!)


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Message 902 - Posted: 15 Jan 2005 | 15:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 894.

> My suggestion is to have a forum just titled HELP!! or something like that.
>

I like this, though I know the Helpdesk area is supposed to fulfill that role.
Still, there is no reason to not have both.

It looks like the "BOINC Beginners" forum doesn't get much traffic, so I've changed it to "Help!". Or should we have both?

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Message 904 - Posted: 16 Jan 2005 | 2:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 902.

> > My suggestion is to have a forum just titled HELP!! or something like
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> I like this, though I know the Helpdesk area is supposed to fulfill that
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> Still, there is no reason to not have both.
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> It looks like the "BOINC Beginners" forum doesn't get much traffic, so I've
> changed it to "Help!". Or should we have both?

As an experimental BOINC project, I am not certain that you will get many BOINC novices.
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Message 918 - Posted: 17 Jan 2005 | 17:34:24 UTC - in response to Message 904.
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> As an experimental BOINC project, I am not certain that you will get many
> BOINC novices.

True enough, but it's the best we can do with this crew.

Besides, I was thinking that calling it "beginners" might keep out the people who know how to help the beginners, while calling it "Help!" will be for anyone needing help or willing to give it, beginners or not.

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